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Old February 17th, 2016, 02:00 PM
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FBI vs Apple

I'm sure many people have seen the letter by Tim Cook CEO of apple rejecting the FBI's demand to circumvent the encryption on a terrorists iPhone.

Once a backdoor has been created it can't be undone and we'll all eventually lose our privacy as the code / knowledge to replicate it will leak ... and the FBI will have a precedent. Secrets don't stay secret forever.

I feel that the FBI is using the terrorism link to apply pressure and leverage to a weak argument to support creating an encryption backdoor.

That being said the request for assistance appears reasonable and may lead to valuable counter terror information. ( and a load of cat videos probably )

Is the sacrifice of the privacy of 320million Americans worth the information on this phone?
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Old February 17th, 2016, 02:13 PM
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No. Doubtful anything good is on there anyway.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 02:14 PM
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How can Jennifer Lawrence's phone be so easily hacked for nudie pics but we can't unlock a terrorist's phone?


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Old February 17th, 2016, 02:16 PM
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Nah. Apple needs to stick to their guns and not write the anti-wipe code. The value of what they'll get out of this phone is not worth their reputation.

Not to mention that even if the FBI gets around to cracking it, they'll probably just find pictures of kittens and maybe some Brazilian fart porn. All that effort.
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Apple is fighting for all of us on this one.
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this is why I still use my trusted phone

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Even if the fbi is successful at gaining access doesn't mean they will get anything.
The terrorist could have used a messaging app like Cyberdust that erases any trace of the message after it's been read.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 03:21 PM
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Even if the fbi is successful at gaining access doesn't mean they will get anything.
The terrorist could have used a messaging app like Cyberdust that erases any trace of the message after it's been read.
So you support Apple or the FBI?
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i am not sure where i fall on this yet.... but imagine the world we are in:
apple vs the government! this is crazy how technology is literally taking control of our lives.

imagine how great the world would be if we all went back to Motorola flip phone! that razor was awesome!
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This is a really interesting situation, and I'm not sure where I come down on it either.

If I could put my tinfoil hat on for a minute, I might argue that the Feds already have the info on the phone and are following leads all over...all of this talk about not being able to decrypt the data is all fake, giving the 'bad guys' a sense in comfort in continuing to use the same platforms of communication
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The real question is... If Apple provides assistance, will we (the people) really even know?!?!
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thats what i think.

all the phones are 911 locatable.
they all have GPS tracking on them / find my iPhone / locate my friends...
shit siri answer when you say "hi siri". of course someone is tracking and listening to all the stuff our phone hears and places it goes!

you would be crazy to think otherwise.
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So you support Apple or the FBI?
I'm still evaluating the case. Hoping for some type of common ground.
I don't have anything to really hide but I do like my privacy. I don't want them stumbling on to a juicy conversation between me and my gf.
Or if I decide to take another trip to Cuba, even though it's almost legal now, I don't want them knowing where I'm going all the time.
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There is no common ground.

Once the encryption is broken apple would need to rebuild their OS to create another encrypted version. They would then roll it out and the FBI would come and ask for another back door and the process would continue. The burden on Apple and any other tech company would be enormous .. and that's probably what the FBI want ... create a situation where encryption isn't commercially viable.

I believe android phones are likewise encrypted on later versions and so this isn't apple vs FBI but the mobile platform.

Any data leaving the phone is subject to the encryption of otherwise of the software used to transfer it. The FBI already have a shit load of 'meta' data and the value of the info on the phone is likely to be low.
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I agree with Apples stance but at some point they will give it up as charges of interfering with a criminal investigation will be threatened or brought against somebody in the company.
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Fortunately, this has nothing to do with encryption.

This is a simple jurisprudence issue. The mathematical fundamentals underpinning encryption are not circumvented via California court order.

There is no "encryption backdoor". What the FBI wants is to go through the front door.
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i am not sure where i fall on this yet.... but imagine the world we are in:
apple vs the government! this is crazy how technology is literally taking control of our lives.

imagine how great the world would be if we all went back to Motorola flip phone! that razor was awesome!
I have a mint Razor if you want to buy it!
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Fortunately, this has nothing to do with encryption.

This is a simple jurisprudence issue. The mathematical fundamentals underpinning encryption are not circumvented via California court order.

There is no "encryption backdoor". What the FBI wants is to go through the front door.
Great insight ... you are absolutely right and it's a clever approach to the problem.

Doesn't change what's at stake though.
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I'm not an Apple fan either...but they should stand their ground.
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