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Old February 17th, 2016, 05:28 PM
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Doesn't change what's at stake though.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/g...ty-and-privacy

Comey testified about this last year. Most of the philosophy underpinning this news is there.

Ultimately, this isn't an Apple decision. The real fight is going to happen in Congress.

Another story from 2014 (two years ago)

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/201...lt-encryption/
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this is why I still use my trusted phone
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Old February 17th, 2016, 06:39 PM
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But in all seriousness, we will never know the true outcome of all of this nonsense until it is far too late.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 07:02 PM
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Let's be serious here. The FBI already has backdoors into every other encryption software out there.... Nothing you have electronic should be considered truly private.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 07:25 PM
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Let's be serious here. The FBI already has backdoors into every other encryption software out there.... Nothing you have electronic should be considered truly private.
I don't think the FBI is that sophisticated ... the CIA and GCHQ .... yeah they probably have some tricks ... the most practical way is to intercept the data when it's not encrypted ... like when you actually access it. When it's at rest it's much more computationally expensive to access.

If I were the FBI

I'd figure a way to clone the device and then they have plenty of 10 attempts per clone ... This could be as simple as read the content of the memory chip unless the encryption ties it to a particular hardware device.

Then I'd buy a pack of memory chips and a programmer ... grab a bunch of iPhones, install ZIF sockets and use a mechanical turk to work through the 10,000 possible combos.

Say 40 hrs of a specialist to pull the data, 40 hrs to clone a bunch of chips ...another week to modify iphones to swap memory chips ...

then 30 mins per person to try 10 codes - 500 hrs work ... 10 people they'd have it done in a week.

They could improve their chances of finding it earlier following this research ...

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Old February 17th, 2016, 07:33 PM
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Let's be serious here. The FBI already has backdoors into every other encryption software out there.... Nothing you have electronic should be considered truly private.
Sadly that's far from the truth. With end point encryption even other 3-letters can't crack some highly popular encrypted comms. Don't give the FBI too much credit. However, they've come a long way since 9/11 when they had the IT resources of a middle school.
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I forget the guy and am too lazy to look it up.... He developed and ran the super secure email service. When the government tried to force the user information out of him and he closed the service, he was interviewed. He said that if you knew what he knew, you would not use any electronic means to store data if you wanted it truly private. I'm pretty sure he knew more about it than just about anyone.
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For the majority of cases .. you just need slightly better protection than the next guy ...
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There are programs that allow complete encrypted NON DECODABLE conversations, I am sure this A$$hole terrorist are aware of them, they will not be making regular phone calls

not to mention out of the country VOIP phones connecting over networks behind firewall in shitty countries were most of the disgusting shit is hosted
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Two things to understand:

First, if this terrorist is out of the country, etc..., it does not matter what the Constitution says. The FBI can hack the phone all it wants without a warrant.

Second, at home, if your front door is open, what they can see through that open door is free for the taking.

In other words, they want a free pass into any iPhone, written into the code and sanctioned by the courts. We already know they are doing warrantless searches on what they can catch in the air, etc..., this would allow them to continue these searches with the "door" already open, giving them much greater detail in what they can see. And it will be applied to American customers/citizens.
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I don't think the FBI is that sophisticated ... the CIA and GCHQ .... yeah they probably have some tricks ...
There is a statue at the CIA with I think 4 encrypted messages, and one of them they still haven't cracked. It's been there since the 1990s I think I read.

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Based on how this conversation is going, I'm expecting both George W and Obama to be blamed.
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Well... that wouldn't be far from the truth. I mean... it hasn't always been this way.
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Well... that wouldn't be far from the truth. I mean... it hasn't always been this way.
For real, in the good old days companies would build it for access from the start. Now all this effort to protect things will just necessitate a widespread effort to ensure access if and when someone ever goes live with a product and doesn't have the absolute best tradecraft. (Nobody has perfect tradecraft all the time, its just better to be lucky than good).
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I love my country, but I fear my government. Don't give them any more power to spy on its own citizens.
If you are not a citizen then you don't have the protection of the constitution. The government should keep tabs on non- citizens.
If you are a citizen then the FBI and others should get a warrant before getting information.
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Two things to understand: First, if this terrorist is out of the country, etc..., it does not matter what the Constitution says. The FBI can hack the phone all it wants without a warrant. Second, at home, if your front door is open, what they can see through that open door is free for the taking. In other words, they want a free pass into any iPhone, written into the code and sanctioned by the courts. We already know they are doing warrantless searches on what they can catch in the air, etc..., this would allow them to continue these searches with the "door" already open, giving them much greater detail in what they can see. And it will be applied to American customers/citizens.
Almost. You may be confusing the communication between the California Subject (USPER) and any potential "foreign power" or International Terrorist Org, and the actual search of the phone contents themselves (physical evidence). The FBI already has the authority needed to search the phone without making this link....problem is, they don't have the capability to "hack" it. And remember, FISA laws authorizing the interception and content of communications are still weighed against the Constitution. Non-US comms fall under other agencies unless one of the phones are on US soil. All that crap flying in the air is collected "possibly" as subscriber data not necessarily the content. Just use Skype if you're concerned about what big Murrica hears.
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If you are not a citizen then you don't have the protection of the constitution.
Exactly! This philosophy/truth gets forgotten on a whole host of topics!
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