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Old March 12th, 2013, 01:58 PM
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Interesting article in the wsj today. Apparently the forecast on gasoline usage in 2007 is proving way off and as a result there is pressure to increase the blend of ethanol in gas. The refineries say no because it will damage engines and electronics even more. So refineries are forced to by ethanol credits which increases our cost at the pump. Wow, just shows welfare really never pays in the long term. Motorists pay twice. Once at the pump and again in repairs and maintenance.
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We're lucky enough to have some ethanol free premium stations around here, pretty much the same price as the other stations too!
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Old March 12th, 2013, 02:17 PM
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This administration is out of control in their hunt for total control. Look at what the Navy is being forced to pay for bio-diesel. $26 a gallon in the name of some BS program. Ethanol is just another example of their "pie in the sky" world where unicorns fart glitter rainbows and dead people get free Obama phones which we all pay for.

This probably belongs in the pit, not the tech section.
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I am rather disappointed that ethanol is pushed as a bio-fuel to increase corn-grower profit. It has a very small amount of energy per gallon compared to gasoline. You pay more and get less from this fuel. Its only advantage is its high equivalent octane, but unless we start running turbocharged engines at 2 bar, it's a non-issue.

Once diesel engines become more popular in the US, we can concentrate on vegetable oil production, which has an extremely high fuel value compared to ethanol.
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Just makes me smile when I mat the throttle in my 300Tdi and create some non-EPA-compliant emmissions.

I actually had some tree-hugging douche nozzle reprimand me for leaving my truck running while running to a mailbox to mail something yesterday. She snided "you know you're polluting the environment by leaving your car running".
I simply said "I am completely comfortable with that" with a slight smirk.

Thank god for old school diesel!!!!
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Old March 12th, 2013, 02:36 PM
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Just think of the impact if the EPA got their way phased out 100LL (avgas). The resulting impact would ground ~ 1/3 of all airplanes. Thankfully the EPA has no authority over avgas and I don't see the FAA touching the subject or the resulting impact to the $150B GA industry anytime soon.
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Old March 12th, 2013, 02:41 PM
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Thanks to the corn lobby, us boaters have to use this crappy E10, which has a nasty habit of melting older fuel systems.
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The corn lobby should be sued then lined up and shot. There is no telling how much money is spent combating the adverse effects of corn syrup in our motorized equipment. Is it just me or does burning food for fuel sound like a stupid idea? I don't let that corn shit near my boat,ATV's or lawn equipment. I only use marina, non-ethanol gas.
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Old March 12th, 2013, 08:21 PM
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You can search for ethanol-free gas on this website:

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA

Unfortunately, ethanol-free gas is rapidly becoming harder to find--in the past week dozens of Union 76 stations have disappeared from the list for Washington state. The execrable corn squeezin' lobby infests both political parties, and our gasoline engines are paying the price. If these loathsome cretins are successful in foisting E15 upon us hapless serfs, our petrol-powered D90's will become expensive lawn ornaments.

Other than that, I don't have any strong opinions on this matter.
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Ethanol free fuel is hard to find here in Va. I had to put a new piston and cyl on my $400 Stihl chainsaw so now buy ethanol free 90 for the small engines on the farm. Stuff is $4 a gallon when regular is $3.53. Ethanol fuel has been destroying boat engines for a while now by leaching the resins out of the fiberglass tanks- something straight gasoline doesn't do.
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Colorado is 10% never seen a station without it?
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The website I linked to above includes a number of stations scattered around Colorado, but as with Seattle, they are sparse and dwindling by the day. Your wonderful government at work...

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I can find ethanol free mid grade at a few places, fucking corn lobby, Pioneer, Monsant, Cargill etc.
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If you're running a newer (2010+) Range Rover Sport, that ethanol will cause limitless amounts of grief. Fortunately up here in Canada there are still a lot of non-ethanol options, especially in the premium fuels.

But I'd agree, the entire ethanol movement is yet another example of big government running out of control.
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But I'd agree, the entire ethanol movement is yet another example of big government caving in to special interest groups.
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Interesting article in the wsj today. Apparently the forecast on gasoline usage in 2007 is proving way off and as a result there is pressure to increase the blend of ethanol in gas. The refineries say no because it will damage engines and electronics even more. So refineries are forced to by ethanol credits which increases our cost at the pump. Wow, just shows welfare really never pays in the long term. Motorists pay twice. Once at the pump and again in repairs and maintenance.
The E85 debate has been raging for some time.

In England this article was printed a few days ago.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-new-fuel.html
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Ethanol is just another socialist tax scam that accomplishes nothing more than taxing the middle class for the benefit of a select few chosen by the Government.
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Ethanol is just another socialist tax scam that accomplishes nothing more than taxing the middle class for the benefit of a select few chosen by the Government.
Nothing happens in Government without the influence of lobby groups. Lobby groups even WRITE THE LEGISLATION that is presented as a Bill before Congress. They insert language into the Bill that helps THEM, not you. Since Congressmen rarely if ever actually read the legislation they vote on, they base their votes on whether the group pushing the legislation will bring in money to their district. So, the lobby group goes to great lengths to see, whether real or not, that the legislation provides that benefit. Like it or not, that's how it works.
Blame Obama, blame the media, blame the liberals, blame whomever you want...it makes no difference in how the Government runs. Matters not which political party is involved, money talks in the halls of Congress.
The same people will be lobbying Congress whether the President is Dem or GOP or whatever.
The business of Government is to take your money and give it to someone else. If you take away its ability to do that, then it is out of business. The only way for Government to survive is to take more money, and give away more money.
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Ethanol is just another socialist tax scam that accomplishes nothing more than taxing the middle class for the benefit of a select few chosen by the Government.
a socialist tax scam introduced by the republicans and signed into to law by Bush ... granted the subsequent governments haven't repealed it ... so that must make it a socialist conspiracy.
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I wouldnt say its socialist specifically, but certainly a big govt overreaching policy based on ideology and bad science.

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