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This all seems validating what I was saying back in the 70s and 80s when I was racing.
You can have power, reliability, and economy or you can have emissions control. You can't have all.
Even Tesla without emissions has byproduct waste from manufacturing and future disposal of those batteries.
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Even Tesla without emissions has byproduct waste from manufacturing and future disposal of those batteries.
And emissions.... The electricity does not come from the magic electricity fairy.
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And emissions.... The electricity does not come from the magic electricity fairy.
I love telling Prius owners that their cars are powered by coal.... they never find it funny.
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Better hold that thought my friend! BMW is at it too

Makes me wonder about Land Rovers new fleet of diesels on our shores??

So Glad I own a 2005 Jetta TDI wagon love it!

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I don't see how as a consumer and and owner of a 2014 Passat this has hurt me. I like my 45 to 50 MPG. I think a selling point to another individual would be I never ever let the dealer reprogram my ECM to a "save a polar bear" EPA setting.
I think we are all naive if we think VW is the only company doing this. The others probably have better programmers.
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Man was creating greenhouse gases long before America was discovered.
Heck, there is even discussion of cows burping and adding to greenhouse gas.
Stick a cat converter in the cows behind. That'll fix it.
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EV's are much cleaner than gas powered vehicles, even taking into account their production, charging, and disposal costs.

I'd take a Tesla any day, if I could afford it. And Teslas are just the beginning.

I can't wait until the day when my car drives itself on a range of 500 miles of battery power, charged by photovoltaics. I'd never have to change oil, while the brushless AC, single speed driveline would last 500,000 miles with only transmission oil changes every 250,000 miles.
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And we could just sleep the journey away because driving would be a snore ;-)
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Old September 23rd, 2015, 08:59 PM
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And we could just sleep the journey away because driving would be a snore ;-)
Well just think, with self driving cars, everyone could text, smoke, apply mascara, play with the onboard infotainment center, and drink a Starbucks double tall not so hot nonfat latte all simultaneously.

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If you don't like to drive they have this thing called a bus.
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If you don't like to drive they have this thing called a bus.
Yep.
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I rented a VW Jetta once. Not sure what the fuss is. MPG? Woo. Life is too short to drive a Volkswagon.
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I rented a VW Jetta once. Not sure what the fuss is. MPG? Woo. Life is too short to drive a Volkswagon.
You rented a VW TDi? Most of the rentals I see are gas.

I know it's hard to understand but driving a manual transmission 2.0 dirty diesel is pretty damn fun... The driving enjoyment can be the somewhat validated by the amount of people on this board that have both a D-90 and a diesel VW.

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Can't recall, but it was unremarkable. Although I do remember the seats were like vinyl covered plywood. To each his own I guess.
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You rented a VW TDi? Most of the rentals I see are gas..
Only if he was in Europe...

A tuned diesel is a blast to drive as a DD. Much more fun than a gasser. A stock Jetta is a pretty boring car. With proper mods it can be fun.
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Although I do remember the seats were like vinyl covered plywood. To each his own I guess.
You sure you did not get a lotus which are actually barely padded race seats. VW is comparably plush.
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You rented a VW TDi? Most of the rentals I see are gas. I know it's hard to understand but driving a manual transmission 2.0 dirty diesel is pretty damn fun...
I rented a Passat Tdi and a Ford Mondeo Tdi on UK trips. But as you all know diesels have been going out of favor in Europe for several years. Having started with four speed boxes adapting to six speeds was interesting.
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Tests also manipulated in Europe and BMW suspected of doing the same ... I suspect that this was an open secret in the industry and they probably thought they got away with it as they transitioned to Urea based emission control systems.
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