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Old September 22nd, 2015, 12:29 AM
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The Lusitania was torpedoed by a German U-boat. The German battleship Bismarck was sunk by us I believe. Titanic was a combination of freak of nature and poor engineering design.
Bismarck was sunk by the Brits, but what I meant was that it ended the era of battleship superiority and sparked the era of the sub and carrier. Obviously the Lusitania sparked the beginning of our involvement.

Would this incident be the spark that starts a diesel revolution in the industry as other makers realize that they are more competitive than they realized (so long as they weren't cheating the dyno as well). The great sinking of a company was my Titanic metaphor.

Pretty loose, I'll agree! ;-)
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wow, i drove an 09 jetti tdi that put a big smile on my face
Oh, I know! Back in '01, I was visiting a buddy in Mannheim, Germany, who's friend worked for VW. He had a fresh off the line diesel A4 or 6 that would lay patches in second gear! Long ones! I had never seen that from a diesel on proper dry roads. Unbelievable! Just not as clean as they tout, but probably still the best.
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It appears VW and their investors are screwed. If they were a Japanese company there would already be several execs who dived onto swords. It will be interesting to see the ultimate outcome after all the fines are paid, the lawsuits are settled and the problem if fixed. I'm guessing a bankruptcy will part of the future.
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Old September 22nd, 2015, 09:24 AM
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I was reading in the NYTimes yesterday that diesel cars and SUVs account for 1% of new car sales in the U.S. but they account for something like 20-25% of VW's total U.S. sales.

found it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/bu...pgtype=article

"Unlike Europe, where about half the passenger vehicles sold run on diesel, such cars account for fewer than 1 percent of new car sales in the United States. Most of those vehicles are sold by Volkswagen. . . In August, diesel sales accounted for 23 percent of all cars sold by Volkswagen in the United States."
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Not to mention that a large part of their customer base is due to brand loyalty. If peoples investments loose half their value overnight they won't be coming back.
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There is no way that any company this big would do this for no reason.

There must be a reason why they programmed their cars this way. Perhaps an old exception to a regulation that went away, or some kind of dispensation that never came to fruition. Regardless, there must be a reason.

Based on the EPA letter, it looks like this is all down to the way that the manufacturer used to certify vehicles with the EPA specifically, with the DDS - LA92 (CARB). Probably some kind of adaptive algorithm that was probably optimized for the CARB cycle, but due to the fact that nobody actually drives according to the CARB cycle, the adaptive algorithm's effects would obviously differ when a normal person drove a vehicle vs when the vehicle was being put through the CARB cycle.

I feel like auto journalists are some of the worst writers in the world. Or at least the worst at actually comprehending anything. Although I suppose if they were truly skilled, they wouldn't be auto journalists. I feel like I'm reading the auto equivalent of a Caitlyn Jenner story. My brain cells hurt.
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Used prices of Tdi have fallen very rapidly in recent months. Its as if the trade new what was about to come down.....
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Used prices of Tdi have fallen very rapidly in recent months. Its as if the trade new what was about to come down.....
Or that the price of regular gas has been falling faster than a rock, and the gap between diesel per gallon and premium gas at the pump is more pronounced in some areas right now. I saw the other day at a few stations that they wanted $1/gal more for diesel than regular.
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Or that the price of regular gas has been falling faster than a rock, and the gap between diesel per gallon and premium gas at the pump is more pronounced in some areas right now. I saw the other day at a few stations that they wanted $1/gal more for diesel than regular.
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I worry what affect this will have on Diesels in the US. I know they do not account for much, but you are starting to see multiple vehicles beginning to be offered with a Diesel variant.

Its all just a conspiracy to get rid of Diesels. They just want to keep selling Petrol!
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Or that the price of regular gas has been falling faster than a rock, and the gap between diesel per gallon and premium gas at the pump is more pronounced in some areas right now. I saw the other day at a few stations that they wanted $1/gal more for diesel than regular.
Just the typical 30cent premium here.

VW shares lost another 20% today.

Even Huffpost is out to smack VW. So you know its bad
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20% today, and down nearly 60% since Ferdinand Piëch left back in April earlier this year.
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I have a 2012 tdi Passat. Just dropped it off for service today. It's at approximately 70,000 miles and runs great. Been pleased with the car so far. Asked the service agent, "What's the deal?" He said, "I don't have any info for you yet, but we have stopped selling certain models." I have read certain articles, and my model/year has not been listed, ....so far. I am out of warranty, and are having them bring everything up to speed on it's maintenance schedule. I will get it back tomorrow, and let you guys know if I find out anything else.
I'm getting tired of the government coming after my vehicles! What's next, my Chevy?!
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Looks like the CEO is the first to get pushed under the VW bus.
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Seriously! I mean unless you use the dealer for anything or live where diesel emissions are checked, how are they going to force people to make that adjustment to their cars? I don't have a VW. But if I did, I'm thankful I live where diesels aren't checked.
I take it to the dealer for work for the free loaner car and emissions are checked here. They won't do the recall or update on it until I sell it. I see no reason to lower my mpg at this time.
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Right now, in the back of my head I envision some other car manufacturer scrambling to coverup their tracks. I'm sure VW isn't the only one doing the computer manipulation.
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My diesel X5 is fantastic. Love the car. Love the 425 ft-lbs and 30 MPG. Love showing up to the gas station and having diesel be 40-50 cents cheaper than regular. Now I will love not having to wait behind any VW TDIs to fill up.
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Can some one explain to me what they did wrong? The computer should be programmed to operate the engine in the best manner based on various parameters for any number of given scenarios. -Jeff
X2. Seems to me, the better the economy, the less smog. But then who am I?!
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Can some one explain to me what they did wrong? The computer should be programmed to operate the engine in the best manner based on various parameters for any number of given scenarios. -Jeff
My understanding is that the car's computer was programmed to know that when the car was on a dynamometer it was to revert to a different software profile to reduce emissions.

I think it had something to do with front/rear wheel speed differential.

Pretty sophisticated....

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My understanding is that the car's computer was programmed to know that when the car was on a dynamometer it was to revert to a different software profile to reduce emissions. I think it had something to do with front/rear wheel speed differential. Pretty sophisticated....
The stricter the emissions profile, the lower the performance and mileage. Or so went the thinking.
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