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View Poll Results: How do you feel about a non-Land Rover branded engine being put into a defender
Feel it would strongly lower value 21 56.76%
Feel it would sllightly lower value 9 24.32%
Feel it would not affect value much at all 6 16.22%
Feel it would slightly raise value 2 5.41%
Feel it would strongly raise value 0 0%
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Old July 4th, 2013, 10:21 AM
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Engine affect your willingness to buy a defender

Hi.


Pondering the placement of an engine in my hybrid 110NAS (started life as a burned out NAS90...built up to a 110NAS defender.....replacement options abound. We are talking mostly diesel for mileage unless a simple petrol option exists that is decent and gets 30mpg or thereabouts....


Just curious on people's thoughts about non-LR engine use and how it would affect truck value...



Thank you in advance. Opinions/replies very welcome too.


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Old July 4th, 2013, 10:27 AM
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Had to choose two... if it had the 2.8 it'd enhance value over a NAD or V8, but the value would be even higher to me with a Td5 over a 2.8 or anything else.
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Old July 4th, 2013, 10:28 AM
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IMO it wouldn't matter what engine you installed at this point because you made it into a 110. The originality is gone. The consideration when and if you ever sell is to find a like minded person so that you can get the highest return. Can it really be called a NAS110? You built it from a salvaged title?!?

Not to get off track just curious.
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Old July 4th, 2013, 10:33 AM
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2.8. Would be my choice.
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Old July 4th, 2013, 10:39 AM
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I would think ease of replacement parts would be on my list when considering a new truck.
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Stick a 300tdi in it. It's a simple install, setup and there are bazillions of them around the world.

TD5 is a nice idea but has the wiring of the space shuttle in comparison.
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Old July 4th, 2013, 11:10 AM
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What's wrong with with 300tdi you put in it that you already want to put something else in?
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IMO it wouldn't matter what engine you installed at this point because you made it into a 110. The originality is gone. The consideration when and if you ever sell is to find a like minded person so that you can get the highest return. Can it really be called a NAS110? You built it from a salvaged title?!?

Not to get off track just curious.
Sure it can...I don't say it has a number..it does have a NAS number actually and is has a 110 frame (CKD). 1994 1597 for full disclosure. It was yellow.

Perhaps I should call it a 110 NAS #1597. That could be sort of fun.


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Your survey is very general because any enhanced value will be strictly based on the specific engine.
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IMO it wouldn't matter what engine you installed at this point because you made it into a 110. The originality is gone. The consideration when and if you ever sell is to find a like minded person so that you can get the highest return. Can it really be called a NAS110? You built it from a salvaged title?!?

Not to get off track just curious.
Your question doesn't really make any sense in your situation. As Bill said, I'm not really sure how you could be concerned with value, when your truck has been salvaged, then rebuilt to a model spec with a 20" longer wheelbase.

Your truck should be AA yellow, have a soft top cage, etc., but instead is painted a Jeep color, and is a hard top 110. You've already customized the truck build to your specific requirements, so just continue doing anything you want to it, and resale value should be the least of your concern at this point.
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Forget about resale value. If you really had concerns about that, you'd go for a 100% Land Rover part based vehicle.
Just build what works for you and enjoy it.
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Forget about resale value. If you really had concerns about that, you'd go for a 100% Land Rover part based vehicle.
Just build what works for you and enjoy it.
X2 on Rocky and Josh...it's beyond "authentic" from a purist standpoint...It's more of what you have made it and what you will want it to be. Not knocking the engine choice (pun intended) but I would put the biggest ass engine I could squeeze into it!
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It is not a real NAS 110, but it will always be valuable and desirable. Will you get maximum return as if it was one of the 535, doubtful. The trucks are an erector set on wheels... Do what you want, you can always change it or get new parts.

I would put a 300 or 2.8 tdi into it and be extatic every day.
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You still didn't answer the question. What is wrong with the 300 tdi you have in it?
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Old July 4th, 2013, 01:28 PM
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Sounds like a really neat rig that will always be worth good money if done right. The 300tdi is always pretty tough to beat. I think the only thing that'll kill the value is if you remotely represent it as a NAS110...it'll instantly turn people off.
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It will be a pain for the next owner since they'll have to figure out which replacement parts they'll need. Its not that big of a deal, but that would sway me away from one with a non Land Rover engine.
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Honestly I am not a fan of 300 or td5, the hs2.8 is at least a beefed up, more modern 300. It's the easiest swap.

Given you've lost the authenticity & have salvaged vehicle, I'd opt for best engine and 1 w/lots of service parts available. 2 engines come to mind; MB OM647 or VM 2.8.

The MB is tougher install both due to ecu design & trans. Parts are extremely abundant globally, powerband is ideal and its pretty bombproof.

The VM is much easier install, you could even do autobox if so inclined. Motor is really strong and there is greater parts support in US than any LR diesel.

Both motors are super smooth to 4k, max torque by 1500, produce solid 300 ft*lbs torque and should provide near 30mpg depending on gearing & drive style
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I just had to make a decision on the 2.8 or 300tdi for my NAS90 to 110 conversion. I chose 300tdi mainly for the better availability of parts. I've heard from several 2.8 owners that there are some growing/learning pains with overheating and parts availability/cost, and average cost is about $2500 more for a 2.8.
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Here's another 1994 hybrid ....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Defen...exp=true#v4-37

That one has mucho cowbell I guess.



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Stick a 300tdi in it. It's a simple install, setup and there are bazillions of them around the world.

TD5 is a nice idea but has the wiring of the space shuttle in comparison.
Agreed.

In US Defenders are, for the most part, trophies. In the ROW, they are tools. If you want to protect US resale keep it OEM as much as possible--and that means NAS petrol. If you want improved milage look at what ROW does.
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