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Old December 9th, 2014, 11:23 PM
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Early 110s and 90s vs Defenders

Hey guys, I was just wondering about the difference between pre-defenders(Land Rover 110/90) and Defenders. Just curious. Thanks!
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Old December 9th, 2014, 11:35 PM
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Old December 9th, 2014, 11:51 PM
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Fact: Land Rover Defenders are chick magnets. I once had two college girls on a highway (in a mustang) honk at me and yell cool car. They were probably drunk but as a highschooler, I never forgot it.
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I don't own one, but I believe the biggest difference is in the suspension. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
The 90 and 110 have leaf springs similar to the old Series where as Defenders have coil over.

I'm just a stupid naive Discovery and Range Rover owner. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Pre-Defenders had drum brakes in the back, thicker aluminium bodies and were less prone to electrolytic reaction. The front seats were a bit further out.

And the engines sucked. All of them.
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I don't own one, but I believe the biggest difference is in the suspension. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. The 90 and 110 have leaf springs similar to the old Series where as Defenders have coil over. I'm just a stupid naive Discovery and Range Rover owner. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 12:14 AM
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Pre-Defenders had drum brakes in the back, thicker aluminium bodies and were less prone to electrolytic reaction. The front seats were a bit further out. And the engines sucked. All of them.
false. I have the 3.5l engine and it has never given me any issues. Then again, I do drive it every day so that really helps reliability.
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Earlier trucks had thicker body panels, galvanized body cappings. The differences between an early 90 and 110 and the 91 and up "defender" is simply the company named that series of trucks because they had introduced the "Discovery" and didn't want product line confusion. A 90 became a Defender 90 and a 110 became a Defender 110. That was the change.
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Pre-Defenders had drum brakes in the back, thicker aluminium bodies and were less prone to electrolytic reaction. The front seats were a bit further out.

And the engines sucked. All of them.
Took a lot longer for disc rear brakes to arrive than that!
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False.
It actually came with range rover coils for suspension. Coil suspension in land rover 110/90s were the improvements it had over the series land rovers. That's the extent of what I know as a fact.
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It actually came with range rover coils for suspension. Coil suspension in land rover 110/90s were the improvements it had over the series land rovers. That's the extent of what I know as a fact.
Thanks for that enlightenment.
Don't recall from where I obtained that misinformation.

Where would we exist without these forums. Now if the members on range rover.net would get that. Their response is always "use the search tool". Like they don't want to be bothered.
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It actually came with range rover coils for suspension. Coil suspension in land rover 110/90s were the improvements it had over the series land rovers. That's the extent of what I know as a fact.
actually the 110 springs are considerably larger in diameter in the rear than range rovers and discovery's. All of the pre 1999 coil sprung trucks share the same suspension design and components but the springs and spring rates varied quite a bit. Some were linear some were progressive etc.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 02:55 AM
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I guess it must be for the County as mine has range rover type springs and they are the originals. Click image for larger version

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actually the 110 springs are considerably larger in diameter in the rear than range rovers and discovery's. All of the pre 1999 coil sprung trucks share the same suspension design and components but the springs and spring rates varied quite a bit. Some were linear some were progressive etc.
Don't forget the rear inner helper spring typically found on 110 HCPU and 130s...
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false. I have the 3.5l engine and it has never given me any issues. Then again, I do drive it every day so that really helps reliability.
Overheat it once (except for Mark's engine), then the sleeves drop and push compression in the cooling system and the engine will be useless. It's a bad design without a lip in the bottom of the bore to hold the sleeve in place.

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And the engines sucked. All of them.
Pretty accurate...
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false. I have the 3.5l engine and it has never given me any issues. Then again, I do drive it every day so that really helps reliability.
Disagree. Unless low power output isn't an issue?
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^ not entirely true statement there. Yeah, the buick/rover block is not the best design but they take a lot more punishment than one overheating. My 96 4.0 Disco overheated multiple times until I figured out all of the problems. I never had to pull the heads. That truck is still in service by the fourth owner with +150k miles on it. The 3.5 low compression engine is less likely to overheat than it's newer stroked higher compression variants too. The engine design is seldom the root cause of a overheating situation. The water pump, fan clutch and radiator are the primary culprits. Most are unwilling to have the cross-flow radiator rodded or replaced due to inconvenience and stupid high cost.
Plus, the discussion of low power is mute. The logic of many is to install a TDi..... talk about low power! If you want reliability and power install a GM transplant. I ran a 4.3 V6 for 12 years until I spun a bearing in a bad mishap at Mountain Lake. I've got a LT1/ZF/LT230 going into my 110 and a LS1/4L60E/Dana300 sitting in my ongoing SIIA 88" coiler project
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I garrentontee you there is an exception to every rule.
You must have gotten the only rover V8 that the factory built to a high standard!
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There's so much misinformation here.... Did Fox News sponsor this thread?
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Hey guys, I was just wondering about the difference between pre-defenders(Land Rover 110/90) and Defenders. Just curious. Thanks!
Far too general. They're very similar in nature, but if we're talking about differences, there were some even within "pre-defenders" - i.e. depending on which range of years you're talking about, early 110s had differences when compared to later 110s (but still pre-defenders).
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