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Old December 10th, 2014, 09:57 AM
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Landyman, I'm curious to what triggered the question! Anything that you'd like a more specific answer too?
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Old December 10th, 2014, 10:00 AM
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Earlier trucks had thicker body panels, galvanized body cappings. The differences between an early 90 and 110 and the 91 and up "defender" is simply the company named that series of trucks because they had introduced the "Discovery" and didn't want product line confusion. A 90 became a Defender 90 and a 110 became a Defender 110. That was the change.
But heaven forbid if you call a pre-'91 vehicle a "Defender" instead of just a OneTen or a Ninety on Pirate or one of the UK/Aussie forums.

One thing different on my '86 vs my NAS 90 was the front seat mounts. Seatbox seems the same (besides the LT77 and R380 cut out) but the '86 has 2 smaller screws at each corner vs 1 M8.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 10:02 AM
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If in doubt drop in a Buick 300 engine with a stroker crank. No dropped liners there.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 10:26 AM
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Unfortunately the Buick 300 has a different bellhousing bolt pattern than the Buick 215/Rover V8. The Buick 300 was a good engine and it sure would have been a nice upgrade. It's too bad that the Rover 4.6 V8 wasn't introduced earlier as it does really well in 90's, 110's, and Defenders
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There's so much misinformation here.... Did Fox News sponsor this thread?
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Unfortunately the Buick 300 has a different bellhousing bolt pattern than the Buick 215/Rover V8. The Buick 300 was a good engine and it sure would have been a nice upgrade. It's too bad that the Rover 4.6 V8 wasn't introduced earlier as it does really well in 90's, 110's, and Defenders
Well, yeah if you want to use a Rover bellhousing, duh. However, in for a penny in for a pound, eh wot, mate? Frankly this is all moot.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 12:09 PM
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All of the pre 1999 coil sprung trucks share the same suspension design and components....
Radius arms changed from narrow to wide in the early 90s. Big difference in articulation.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 12:17 PM
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There's so much misinformation here.... Did Fox News sponsor this thread?

Actually it's MSNBC. And to borrow a quote: "Well she sounds hideous"..."Well she's a dude, sooo...."



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I don't own one, but I believe the biggest difference is in the suspension. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
The 90 and 110 have leaf springs similar to the old Series where as Defenders have coil over.

I'm just a stupid naive Discovery and Range Rover owner. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Luis, you are thinking of the Stage I V8. The missing link between Series III and the 110.
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I think NAS 110s use the narrow arms. Switch was in 94.


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All NAS trucks (87RRC- 99Disco 1) have the wide arms. Ive never been able to pinpint when the switch was.

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Old December 10th, 2014, 12:39 PM
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All NAS trucks (87RRC- 99Disco 1) have the wide arms. Ive never been able to pinpint when the switch was.

-Jeff
94 model year according to the parts catalog, I assume with the 300TDI introduction, which included the new style axles.

Back with the OP. There are various "main" change points. Before 1991, there were a lot of little changes over time as well.

1991 - Defender name, 200TDI
1994 - 300TDI/R380. New axle design, rear discs.
1998 - TD5. New dash.
2007 - Puma. New engine and gearbox, new interior, heater, blah, blah...
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I think NAS 110s use the narrow arms. Switch was in 94.

I'm pretty positive you're right on that
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I'm pretty positive you're right on that
to add to that, I bought front radius arm poly bushings from Lucky8. When I got them, I found out when trying to fit that I had to cut about 1/2" off internal steel bushing tube to get the bushings to fit in the axle mounts. I also have RTE cranked radius arms, and they rub on the outer frame slightly (too wide). My lesson learned were my OEM arms were skinnier than later model.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 01:30 PM
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If you had sent your arms to RTE, rather than waiting to get a pair from them; you would have been golden!

Now someone has your old narrow arms(if you sent them back) sliding around on their axles!
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Old December 10th, 2014, 01:36 PM
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If you had sent your arms to RTE, rather than waiting to get a pair from them; you would have been golden!

Now someone has your old narrow arms(if you sent them back) sliding around on their axles!
I think you are spot on! That was way back when I was still kindofa newb and didn't know any better. trial and error plus dsource are the keys to wisdom (sprinkled with a lot of search box)

BTW, RTE knew this was going on a 93 NAS 110; this was part of a full package including shocks and springs all around. I had mistakingly assumed they knew the correct width to use.
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Old December 10th, 2014, 03:26 PM
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trial and error plus disclosure are the keys to wisdom (sprinkled with a lot of search box)
I like that, it's taken me 40 years to work it out but now I run with disclosure almost eliminated trial and error (thus saves me doing it 3 times, lots of money, and loads of frustration)

To the OE Q, basically not a great deal cosmetically, a name, bit of trim painting, some fine tuning of suspension competent as mentioned.
However when they became Defender I think the motor changed to a turbo'd 2.5lt. A new Tdi200 was linked with a 5 speed gbox (outside US).
Happy to be wrong. My understanding was the Tdi 200 was the older series diesel but now with an alloy head, and strengthening to the block to cope with the turbo. A stop gap while the Tdi 300 was being finished off. Turbo's were just entering the recreational 4x4 market however the 200 has proven to be a solid performer. Many who have them really like them.
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Not to mention he posted it in the Support and Suggestions section! We seriously need to make rules for drunk starting threads.

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Hey guys, I was just wondering about the difference between pre-defenders(Land Rover 110/90) and Defenders. Just curious. Thanks!
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