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Old January 25th, 2005, 09:19 PM
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Different kinds of diesels

Anybody fitted any diesels or any other engines for that matter aside from 300 tdi's and 4.6's. Seems like just about anything could fit under the hood.
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Old January 25th, 2005, 09:50 PM
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Well there have been some others, Chevy 350s and 6.5 Detroit diesels. In Austraila some Defenders came with Izuzu 3.9 diesels. There are some guys with Series rigs running Cummins motors, mostly 5.9s. What are ya thinking?
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Old January 25th, 2005, 10:02 PM
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I dunno, just want a diesel really bad. I prefer the powerstrokes you can get in ford trucks. Probably looking for the best power possible.
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Well I think There was some talk of the PSD, but I think it was going to be a tight fit, allot of other problems like cooling that big of an engine, fitting an axle under the oil sump, and upgrading the drivetrain because of all the extra power. It would be a major job, I'm not saying it can't be done but it's allot of work and a bit of doing the never done before. I think the PSD would be a bit more power then you would need though?
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I looked into sticking a used 7.3 Power Stroke and was told its too big,too heavy,too powerfull. That it might work in a 110 but I'd ahve to take the drive train out of the ambulance donar.
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Their has been a bunch of discussion about the powerstroke 3.0 on the tdi yahoo list. Sounds interesting, but it comes with an ECU, mandatory. I think once you get away from the smaller diesels, you begin to lose some of the benefits of diesels. The other problem you have is drivetrain, of course. Too much torque and boom.



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Posted by andreas on 01/17/2005 09:59:45 AM:
For those of you always dreamed of converting your series LR to Mercedes power, I have for sale the following:

Adapter for 4 and 5 cyl turbo and normally aspirated mercedes diesel engines from '75 to '89 (OM 616.xxx, 617.xxx, etc) to 4 OR 6 cyl LR (80/86/88/90 107/109/110). Adapter made/machined in Germany with both the 4 and 6 cyl gearbox bolt patterns from 1018 plate. Included is the correct flywheel, pilot bearing and pressure plate and mounting studs. Adapter will work with both 4/6CYL 4SP and 5SP gearboxes with the appropriate clutch disc.

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1 of 5cyl turbo diesel Engine (OM617.952), good for parts or rebuild (needs piston rings).

This series of mercedes engines give the added benefit of being able to run/start on SVO and bio-diesel without modification to the engine.

I can deliver to Northeast US/Canada. I will box ship adapter, etc. worldwide at cost.

email to-->andreas*bio-diesel*org
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Old January 26th, 2005, 04:49 PM
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I would like a 300 but I have not really heard much about them in the category of reliability. I'm sure because of their popularity it is an excellent engine but I do not have any experience with them and neither does just about any local mechanic. How is a 300 tdi compared to maybe a 2.8 power stroke. In terms of price, performance and reliablity? If I were to get a diesel how much of the powertrane would I need to change.
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I think you'd be looking at changing the main gearbox as well as the engine, the bell housing & input shaft are different I think. depending what size tyres you run you might need to change the transfer box too for a 1.44:1 ratio job. I think you'll have a 1.22:1 at the moment if you've got a V8 under the bonnet.
Mind you my 200 tdi discovery pulls a 1.22 transfer box just fine with 235/70 R16 rubber. Infact it's faster up a local hill than my 110 with a 1.44 transfer box & 235/85R16 tyres.
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The HS2.8 is based on the 300TDI and shares it's engine mounts. The 2.8 has more power and torgue, I can't remember the exact numbers.

If you stick with the 2.8 or 300TDI you could leave your driveline in place. What most will suggest is to replace the transmission with a diesel R380 but there is a guy on roverlanders.bc.ca that installed a 2.8 in front of a V8 R380 transmission in an ex-mod 110 so it has been done. He said that one of his reasons for using the V8 R380, instead of the shorter diesel version, was that it is more common in North America.
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David, I am quite friendly with Andreas and he actually was down from Canada yesterday and stopped at my house to check out my 90. I have driven one of his 109's with a MB TD engine. ITs a lot of fun. He builds some really cool stuff. I got a 2.0 perkins prima from him that I will use to build a hybrid IIa eventually. I also had his IIa with the same motor out for a spin and that was a blast. IT also got 40mpg on the highway and he drive it straight from Wolfsville Nova Scotia To NJ over the summer with no problems.
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He said that one of his reasons for using the V8 R380, instead of the shorter diesel version, was that it is more common in North America.
Is the bolt pattren the same on the V8 and 300tdi
Very cool if it's a straight swap but I thought the bolt pattern was different?
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Has anyone used East Coast Rovers to do a 300 tdi conversion. What does it cost, are they reliable. I have 42,000 on my 95 v8 motor and wonder if I should wait till I rack more miles before I convert to diesel. I hate to take out a perfectly good engine. How much can you get for a used v8.

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Matt, contact Pendy who posts on this board. He can help you with those questions and is more local to you in the midwest.
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I am starting to get a little worried, I was talking to the guys at Rovers down South and they recommended that I check with Pendy also. Starting to think there may be some cult thing going on. I wont have to drink any cool-aid will I?

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Anybody fitted any diesels or any other engines for that matter aside from 300 tdi's and 4.6's. Seems like just about anything could fit under the hood.
The best engine you can put into a defender is definetly the 2,8 Powerstroke.
Based on the 300tdi, it has more torque and power. As the 300tdi (2.5 l tdi) it is veeery reliable, powerful and you need only 10-11 liters diesel per 100km. It is more powerful than the standard defender v8.

Another option is the already mentioned 3.0 Isuzu or a 2.8l diesel built in the spanish Santana PS10 defender derivate.

Or the LR TD5 engine which is built in the european defenders. You can get 400NM torque and 200 horses out of it.

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Is the bolt pattren the same on the V8 and 300tdi
Very cool if it's a straight swap but I thought the bolt pattern was different?
I have seen an adapter plate for V8 conversions into Discos sothat would probably be the easiest. Something else to look at would be the back plate, HS 2.8's don't come with one and you have to put one from a 300TDI on. The V8 back plate may fit as well, but don't quote me I'm just theorizing.
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The GM 6.2 is fairly popular in GB but I believe folks have a bad feeling here whenever someone mentions GM and diesel together. I saw a 6.2 in a Disco and it seemed like a nice conversion and supposedly was only about 70 lbs heavier than the 300tdi. I have been seriously toying with the idea of converting my 110 to the 6.2.
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What are the advantages of this GM 6.2 compared to a td5 or 2.8 powerstroke?
It needs more gas/diesel and I don't think it outperforms a good Tdi/Td5 Engine (i.e. 204bhp, 400N torque).

If you want a big, strong diesel that aditionally has a low diesel consumption I would take this:
Mercedes 400CDI, 250bhp up to 320bhp, ~600N-650N torque, 4l 8cylinder. 12-15l diesel...

Another very good engine is the Toyota 4.2l NA diesel. There are some Defenders on the road w. this engine.
I 've driven one and was really amazed...

I like the GM petrol engines, but in diesel technology I'd prefer the above...

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The GM is a simple easy to obtain and inexpensive engine. It puts out that power without a Turbo system, it wieghs less than most engines of that size and isn't that bad on fuel. I'm not saying it's the answer to conversion needs but it does have it's strong points.

What I think is funny is that many here in NA want a TDI and a many in the UK want a GM.

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GM 6.2 eh, that would be the duramax for the silverado you can do some crazy mods from banks performance that can put out some ridiculous power.
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