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Diesel conversion daydreaming on a rainy afternoon...

What is going to be the best, easiest, most original way to convert this to diesel? A 200tdi, a 2.5l or 2.7l turbo? ...humm?
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Old April 6th, 2014, 08:59 PM
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What is going to be the best, easiest, most original way to convert this to diesel? A 200tdi, a 2.5l or 2.7l turbo? ...humm?
Why do you want to change?
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Old April 6th, 2014, 09:32 PM
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I'm going to have a 2.5 with an LT77 up for sale shortly.
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Old April 6th, 2014, 09:43 PM
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Lets start fixing that scary wiring system.
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Old April 6th, 2014, 10:54 PM
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Why do you want to change?
Well first because I wanted a diesel..never had one before. I fell for this truck because it looks pretty solid and original and it is a rhd. Just ripe for restoration. Spent the afternoon reading up (in part on TeriAnn's page) about what kind of power I'm going to get out of this engine. I am unsure that this is going to work for me with what I want to do with it. Would like to use it as a daily driver on occasion, play with it on trails and take it for long distances a couple of times a year. I like the simplicity of the trucks' build and would like to keep it that way. Don't want to do any major changes to the suspension, drive train and such... so humm? I was just thinking about possibilities and the fine line between original and modified.

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Lets start fixing that scary wiring system.
No joke right! Lol That is just a hot mess ..

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I'm going to have a 2.5 with an LT77 up for sale shortly.
I'll keep that in mind and thank you.. the PO was not mechanically inclined and am unsure of the regular maintenance he was able to do on it. He is a grad student with little ones; I feel his pain, so until I get it in my driveway...? All I got is pictures.
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Old April 7th, 2014, 01:39 AM
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Old April 7th, 2014, 06:50 AM
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If you wish to avoid the not inconsequential turbo issues go with the 2.5
If it were me, I'd just get it all cleaned up, repair what needs repair, and either use it as is or sell it on and get what you really want.
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Old April 7th, 2014, 08:51 PM
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Niro guzzling....wheel standing...fire breathing....2.5 NAD!!!!!!!
Lol.. that's awesome thanks!
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Old April 7th, 2014, 09:19 PM
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If you wish to avoid the not inconsequential turbo issues go with the 2.5
If it were me, I'd just get it all cleaned up, repair what needs repair, and either use it as is or sell it on and get what you really want.
That's sound advice. I was thinking the same thing but just wanted to get some input. Thank you. I was just thinking I could change it to a diesel and hang onto the original motor, and if I did ever decide to sell it... it could go with. I just couldn't pass this one up.
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Old April 7th, 2014, 09:20 PM
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If you are not going to do a 300 Tdi look for a international 2.8. You can find all of the bits to connect it to the truck with out having to do too must custom stuff. You could also do the MD diesel. Robert Davis has the kit for the install.
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Old April 7th, 2014, 09:23 PM
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Niro guzzling....wheel standing...fire breathing....2.5 NAD!!!!!!!
Rick, you know you are the only 2.5na fanboy I know, right?
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Old April 7th, 2014, 09:35 PM
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Rick, you know you are the only 2.5na fanboy I know, right?
Yes. I don't want to fix what isn't broke. I'm wet behind the ears with rovers and I'm good with that. I'll learn. I know it won't be my last one. I'd like to see more of them up close and personal.. like the ex-mods and 110s
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If you are not going to do a 300 Tdi look for a international 2.8. You can find all of the bits to connect it to the truck with out having to do too must custom stuff. You could also do the MD diesel. Robert Davis has the kit for the install.
I'm going to get it up and running and figure it out then.. thank you for the information.
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Old April 8th, 2014, 08:35 AM
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I've done a lot of research into dumping a 300 TDI into my 109.

The stock series transmission can't handle it. Well it can, just not for long. To be truly happy with the setup, a shorty LT77/R380 and LT230 should be used. You'll be replacing the driveshafts at that point and a lot of modifications to make it work. Linkage is a whole other ball of wax and prepare to bust out the grinder to make the floor and tunnel panels work. This is all assuming you don't have a bunch of other crap preventing you from getting this done (it is a series truck so the answer to that is yes, yes it'll throw other curve balls at you to make matters worse).

Go with a 1.2 LT230 to get the gearing close to stock series gearing with overdrive. Also you get to keep the 4.7 diffs and the stupid low LT230 gears. This is quite nice off road.

Its a stupid amount of money especially if you have a shop do it. It seems like TDI engine prices have jumped recently, not helping the situation. Also I'm gun shy on used transmissions (been getting bitten by crappy "good used" replacements lately) so that is another $2k down the drain for a proper R380.

Overall, I've dumped a crap ton of money into my 109 engine and trans over the last few years. I regret not dumping a little bit more and going this route. I would've been a lot happier with a new trans, baller low range, and an anemic engine.

So yeah, how big is your wallet? That'll determine the feasibility of all of this. All of that said, a series truck with a defender 300TDI powertrain in it is
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Old April 8th, 2014, 08:28 PM
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I've done a lot of research into dumping a 300 TDI into my 109.

The stock series transmission can't handle it. Well it can, just not for long. To be truly happy with the setup, a shorty LT77/R380 and LT230 should be used. You'll be replacing the driveshafts at that point and a lot of modifications to make it work. Linkage is a whole other ball of wax and prepare to bust out the grinder to make the floor and tunnel panels work. This is all assuming you don't have a bunch of other crap preventing you from getting this done (it is a series truck so the answer to that is yes, yes it'll throw other curve balls at you to make matters worse).

Go with a 1.2 LT230 to get the gearing close to stock series gearing with overdrive. Also you get to keep the 4.7 diffs and the stupid low LT230 gears. This is quite nice off road.

Its a stupid amount of money especially if you have a shop do it. It seems like TDI engine prices have jumped recently, not helping the situation. Also I'm gun shy on used transmissions (been getting bitten by crappy "good used" replacements lately) so that is another $2k down the drain for a proper R380.

Overall, I've dumped a crap ton of money into my 109 engine and trans over the last few years. I regret not dumping a little bit more and going this route. I would've been a lot happier with a new trans, baller low range, and an anemic engine.

So yeah, how big is your wallet? That'll determine the feasibility of all of this. All of that said, a series truck with a defender 300TDI powertrain in it is
Well let's see... I dropped the bomb about the purchase of my newest beauty to one of my dearest mechanic friends and well.. I held the phone away from my ear (plus I was laughing) so I just heard bits.

Things like "WHY!?..haven't you?..black death..wiring issues..DO YOU KNOW!?..european refrigeration co. and that's why they drink warm beer!"...*grunt*.."Ok lets make a plan for this beast " lol I love my friends.

Yeah I understand there is only so much I can do to it. It is a stock truck that is specific and can be cantankerous. I know how much money I'm going to spend to get it to where I want it to be...imo the main thing is to try and do it right the first time. I don't like fixing things twice... unless "Ooops I broke it " That's why I appreciate all of the advice I've been getting from you guys here. This is going to be a group effort...

**Funny story.. I like to do endurance kayak racing (solo), but there was a 100k that I got a really good friend of mine who had never raced before do it with me tandem. He said to me afterwards that he thought it was going to be a 100 meter .. anyway about 40 miles in I smile at him and say "ISN'T THIS FUN!?!".. he looks at me, paddling fiercely, face all twisted and says, "FUN!?! THIS IS YOUR IDEA OF FUN!?!"

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Rick, you know you are the only 2.5na fanboy I know, right?
Yup. Remember that when I go tooling by you up hill when you get that Tdi.......
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Yup. Remember that when I go tooling by you up hill when you get that Tdi.......
Lol ...I would like pics and video of this please and thank you..
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If you wish to avoid the not inconsequential turbo issues go with the 2.5
If it were me, I'd just get it all cleaned up, repair what needs repair, and either use it as is or sell it on and get what you really want.
What are your thoughts about a 4bt cummins? I'm not planning on selling it, matter of fact I'd like for my son to learn how to drive it... that's a few years away. It will be in my driveway in a few days and I am so excited.
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Like I said, live with it as it is for a while. Spend the time collecting the parts. A big project like that is easier if you have it all at hand. Still there's a lot of fab work, clean up, prep, refurbishing, painting etc. between tear down and first drive.
My project took a few unexpected turns. Yours will too.
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Like I said, live with it as it is for a while. Spend the time collecting the parts. A big project like that is easier if you have it all at hand. Still there's a lot of fab work, clean up, prep, refurbishing, painting etc. between tear down and first drive.
My project took a few unexpected turns. Yours will too.
Oh believe me. I am not in any way thinking this is going to be a walk in the park.. skipping through daisies. I have been using the 'search' function on this forum a lot.. and reading about everything mentioning series vehicles and the diesel conversion topic. What I didn't find was a 'must do first and/or replace' parts list. With it being a series.. I understand that some parts may be harder to come by so hopefully ya'll have some extra series stuff laying around you wouldn't mind parting with. Later on I know I'll be looking for things like a hoop kit and canvas top. Was also wondering about internal vs. external roll cages... or know if there is a permanent way to seal any leaking or seepage from rivets or seams in the body or hard top.
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