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Old July 22nd, 2014, 06:29 PM
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Determining if your ROW Defender is legal

So now everyone is wondering if their ROW truck or the one they are looking to buy is here legally. What if you or the guy your buying from is 4th or 5th owner and doesn't have the original import paper work? Once a truck passes through customs they ought to put a sticker on it to prove its here legally just like the FMVSS sticker on the door jamb of your minivan. Will ROW Defender or Series owners forever need to look over their shoulder, wondering if they are the next to loose their truck? Sounds like even some of those who did have all their original import paper work got nabbed anyway.
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 07:06 PM
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If you can go back far enough to determine the original import company, they may have copies of the import docs still on file. In many cases you can google your vin, and - if imported recently enough - it may pull up the electronic information from the import agent/etc. On there would be listed the company that imported it (assuming it wasn't a private party).

Alternatively, I'm sure you could contact CBP and ask for copies. IF you're brave enough .
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 08:33 PM
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Try using Google Cashe to look up your VIN. For example, you should be able to find and download info from the US Customs Landing Database that includes the details of the US Customs Bill of Landing (ports, dates, names, ship, etc.), info on the Consignee, Shipper, etc. Even sales ads once the trucks are here.
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I gave my buyer a binder of original documents in waterproof document holders. I kept certified copies of everything. the front cover was the photo of the truck, the name, the VIN and a VIN breakout. Inside was the CBP documents, the DOT/EPA documents, followed by the Shipping lines documents, all receipts for handling & duties. I followed with the broker's documents, then I put in the original of the overseas registration, a copy of the export inspections and a copy of the work done overseas. Finally I included the overseas bill of sale. That binder should go from owner to owner and add repair receipts. I now put in photos and work receipts of all major work on my cars to prove renovations in case I want to sell. That package should be bombproof.
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DOT has a department that tracks all of this in DC. You can simply call up and say you are considering buying a vehicle with VIN XXXXXXXXXXXXX and they can tell you when it entered and that the proper waivers were granted.
Some states used put EPA and DOT Waivers on file on their titles but that seems to have gone away.
I'll find the number and post it tomorrow.

A carfax should also show when the truck entered and where.
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 10:36 PM
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Gentlemen DOT has a department that tracks all of this in DC. You can simply call up and say you are considering buying a vehicle with VIN XXXXXXXXXXXXX and they can tell you when it entered and that the proper waivers were granted. Some states used put EPA and DOT Waivers on file on their titles but that seems to have gone away. I'll find the number and post it tomorrow. A carfax should also show when the truck entered and where.
Wouldn't the trucks that were just seized show up (previously) as being ok, using this method?
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 11:10 PM
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I understood the question to be how to find out whom and when a vehicle was imported and get copies of the docs.
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Old July 23rd, 2014, 12:01 AM
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I understood the question to be how to find out whom and when a vehicle was imported and get copies of the docs.
This is exactly the info I'm looking for. Looking forward to that phone number Doug.
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Old July 23rd, 2014, 06:44 AM
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This was the same question I posted in the other huge thread. It sounds like the answer is "you can call this number to find out." That would've been pretty easy to reply to in the other thread...

The part I do not understand is that if I would have done this a few months ago to one of Aaron's truck, the paperwork would have all appeared to been in order, correct? So I might have called the number, gotten a nod that everything was OK, bought the truck and be currently sitting with no truck since it got seized.

Here is the example I pulled off ebay. '86 ROW truck with 200Tdi. Would a call to the number above tell someone that this truck snuck in with a TDi? Or would it list it as entry with whatever OEM engine it had at the time and then one can assume the engine was legally swapped here stateside after entry?

Am I dense and missing something here? These seem like muddy waters to me...
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