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Old November 20th, 2014, 05:32 PM
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Determining Actual Mileage

Is there a way to determine actual mileage on a NAS Defender? There are so many trucks out there with a bad ODO or a replacement. Some with papers and some without. Could the mileage be read from the computer or anywhere else?

I did find this link from ECR which helps determine if the ODO has been changed but nothing about how to determine actual mileage. http://eastcoastrover.com/INFOD90.html
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Old November 20th, 2014, 05:42 PM
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Nothing records the mileage apart from the odometer.

The most reliable way to be sure is ask lots of questions, cross reference service records with carfax and previous owners.

I would take any mileage on a defender not supported by documentation as highly suspect given the age of the vehicles.

Are you in the market as a buyer or seller?
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Old November 20th, 2014, 06:12 PM
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No way to tell other than the odometer. 93-95 speedos have a bad habit of stopping at 100k. 97s become unreadable. Both often are replaced, although you can usually tell a replacement from an original.
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Old November 20th, 2014, 09:50 PM
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Nothing records the mileage apart from the odometer.

The most reliable way to be sure is ask lots of questions, cross reference service records with carfax and previous owners.

I would take any mileage on a defender not supported by documentation as highly suspect given the age of the vehicles.

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Neither in the market as a buyer or seller. I dropped of some wheels for PC today and saw a nice NSX with almost no miles on it so I asked the owner how did he find one with such low miles. After 20 minutes he finally tells me he had a shop install a switch on this odo where he could turn this on or off when he wanted to. Shady.... This made me think of all the Defenders with odo issues and I was curious if there was a way to tell what the true mileage of a truck is. If it was tracked in the ECU or somewhere else to tell the real story of the truck. Gunna be more cautious now...
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Neither in the market as a buyer or seller. I dropped of some wheels for PC today and saw a nice NSX with almost no miles on it so I asked the owner how did he find one with such low miles. After 20 minutes he finally tells me he had a shop install a switch on this odo where he could turn this on or off when he wanted to. Shady.... This made me think of all the Defenders with odo issues and I was curious if there was a way to tell what the true mileage of a truck is. If it was tracked in the ECU or somewhere else to tell the real story of the truck. Gunna be more cautious now...
That is shady, but some people will do just about anything for a few extra bucks these days. Speaking of shady - how can I determine the actual owner of a vehicle these days? I guess if someone here tells me they own something I should just believe them right?
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Josh I own my truck. Number 3038 or 483 or some number but I got it ok?
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Check the VSS (vehicle speed sensor. It's a little module that attaches the speedo cable from the transfer box. It controls the speedometer and the odometer. Make sure it is original and functioning. If it's been replaced or tampered with, there may be a mileage discrepancy. Well, at least on a '95. I don't know if the non-analog '97 have the same problem. Mine went out and I didn't get around to fixing it for about 30k! If one can live without knowing exactly how fast you're going, you can keep you odometer stopped. I'm not a shady mofo, and I'm not ever selling my truck, so there is no reason for me not to openly disclose this info. In doing it here, I can never hide it now! ;-)
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Check the VSS (vehicle speed sensor. It's a little module that attaches the speedo cable from the transfer box. It controls the speedometer and the odometer. Make sure it is original and functioning. If it's been replaced or tampered with, there may be a mileage discrepancy. Well, at least on a '95. I don't know if the non-analog '97 have the same problem. Mine went out and I didn't get around to fixing it for about 30k! If one can live without knowing exactly how fast you're going, you can keep you odometer stopped. I'm not a shady mofo, and I'm not ever selling my truck, so there is no reason for me not to openly disclose this info. In doing it here, I can never hide it now! ;-)
I would think a large portion of VSS have been replaced, but driving around without a speedo is not ideal so I would think most got replaced promptly.
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Is there a way to determine actual mileage on a NAS Defender? There are so many trucks out there with a bad ODO or a replacement. Some with papers and some without. Could the mileage be read from the computer or anywhere else? I did find this link from ECR which helps determine if the ODO has been changed but nothing about how to determine actual mileage. http://eastcoastrover.com/INFOD90.html
When I was looking I never ran into a ODO or replacement speedo trucks. If your finding below market vehicles this is probably why the truck is trading cheap.
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That is shady, but some people will do just about anything for a few extra bucks these days. Speaking of shady - how can I determine the actual owner of a vehicle these days? I guess if someone here tells me they own something I should just believe them right?
Good question Josh!
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Old November 21st, 2014, 01:05 PM
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I was surprised it took that long for someone to suggest it.

Carfax is the most likely resource since it polls service history ect where the mileage is almost always noted. as far as telling if a vehicle has seen 30 or 130K, you'll have to trust your eyes I think.

Disconnecting a speedo is much more common than you think.
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Carfax is both good and bad. So many cars have false miles readings that alone should not mess you up. A lot don't have miles readings because they don't get reported.

The ones I have seen are, for example, 10k, 15k, 45k, 20k, 25k

Well, the 45k is probably wrong.

OTOH if you see 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 5, 10. it probably had an odometer replaced.
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You also want to think about why a mileage discrepancy is on carfax. For instance I replaced my odometer with a new one when the body off, engine repower was done. I had the classic sometimes visible '97 odometer thing going on which nobody at that time knew how to repair. That was 8 years ago and if you added the before and after mileage, would be 178k. The discrepancy shows up in carfax because the truck has been inspected annually, sometimes...
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Mileage on the NAS trucks I think is becoming less of an issue for resale these days . A very good condition rust free example no matter what the miles are is getting hard to find . A low mileage NAS in good condition tells its own story , they are only original once no matter how good the resto is .
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Carfax is both good and bad. So many cars have false miles readings that alone should not mess you up. A lot don't have miles readings because they don't get reported. The ones I have seen are, for example, 10k, 15k, 45k, 20k, 25k Well, the 45k is probably wrong. OTOH if you see 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 5, 10. it probably had an odometer replaced.
Agreed. I looked at a LR that had 38K on the clock, I knew within 5 mins that mileage was correct. I ran carfax and everything lined up for miles until the last reading (one year after) and it said 138K. Some idiot doing service or inspection thought that since it was a 90's truck, the odometer must have meant 138K, not the actual of 38K. Unfortunately the owner missed the incorrect reading and now it's carfax is stamped with that false odometer reading. Would that hurt the value? Depends on who really cares about a carfax report or what they actually see in person. In my opinion carfax can hurt value when it shouldn't. Say someone gets into a parking lot bump up, insurance is claimed, then an accident is on record. Does a minor Accident really matter for value? I only use carfax to make sure there was not serious damage or salvage/loss.
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Only problem with carfax is you really don't know who the actual owner of the vehicle is?
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Hey All,

Sorry for grave digging this old thread, but, I am looking for information on getting the '97 odometer fixed. I have the very hard (impossible) to read digital odometer and I can't get it passed at emissions in my state unless the odometer is readable. Anyone have any leads on who to call? how to fix? replacements? Many thanks
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Sorry for grave digging this old thread, but, I am looking for information on getting the '97 odometer fixed. I have the very hard (impossible) to read digital odometer and I can't get it passed at emissions in my state unless the odometer is readable. Anyone have any leads on who to call? how to fix? replacements? Many thanks
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