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Old December 4th, 2003, 10:07 AM
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there were a couple of interesting points on pirate saying a similar thing. something about it being a 'parts assemblage' instead of a 'motor vehicle' since it was coming in as a kit.

i'm with you, though, randy .... the VIN thing has me questioning. do they use the VIN from the kit? is that going to cause a problem with finding auto insurance? will i have to pay my 9%+ sales tax here in CO since its not a 'motor vehicle' ... or will i be exempt (yeah, right!!...still trying to find a way to just pay for tags) since its an out-of-state 'kit' or 'parts assemblage'?
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Old December 4th, 2003, 11:29 AM
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Yeah Troy. That will be the grey area until more ifo comes out. Also, what motor will the kit have? LR does not supply defenders w/ v8's anymore. Will they have the 300tdi, 2.8tdi or the Td5? Non of the motors have approval but I guess if its a kit, it might not make a difference????????????????? Unknown.
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Old December 4th, 2003, 03:22 PM
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Old December 4th, 2003, 03:58 PM
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Kit cars from "normal" kit car manufacturers come with MSO's (manufaturers statement of origin) which most states convert to a title based on their specific kit car laws - vins are assigned by a number of different methods ranging from kit car serial numbers to state patrol whimsy. I would make the most sense for D110's to come with an MSO. I wonder if LR Brazil will just register as a kit manufacturer.

Of course I still think this is all wishful thinking, but oh, how I enjoy wishing...
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Old December 4th, 2003, 04:59 PM
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Nothing stops a thread better than Monty Python. No matter what Jeremy may try.

After recently purchasing at 110 I sure wouldn't like to see an outside force suddenly push teh "value" down so, if need be, I culdn't turn around and sell the truck and closely recover costs. But after I started thinking about it and the cost of a new truck, no matter who brings it in, would be so far beyond my current funds or financing that it wouldn't both me much. And I know everyone is horribly interested in how this affects ME.

I think you would have the same crowd buying them that is buying H2s. I mean, one of the reason that I got the 110 is it can seat *9* people if need be as well as stuff on top. With all the huge SUVs now seemingly coming stardard with 3rd row seating and being the trendy thing to replace a mini-van for those that can afford it, there would be no reason to make and sell them. People also buy H2s cus they are "new" and esay to buy off a lot. Defenders in general aren't. But if they were someone would buy them easily.

What the hell am I rambling about? Oh yeah, I can't afford a new 110, so bring them on.

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Old December 4th, 2003, 06:56 PM
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I don't know if it would be that bad Peter. I would think there would still a market for one of the original 500.

On another note, do kit trucks qualify for auto loans
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Old December 4th, 2003, 10:20 PM
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I guess it would matter what your bank considered a "dealer". Someone like Capital One offers them and as long as someone like RA can be classified a "dealer" then it shouldn't be a problem.

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Old December 5th, 2003, 12:09 PM
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Defender 2008 New planned for US market

Anyone see this from The Land Rover Chronicle?...

Rumors of an all-new Defender are starting to emerge. Loosely based on the new Discovery platform, Defender will still be the solid workhorse it has always been. Rest assured that Defender is the icon of the 4x4 world and Land Rover will not diminish that status. Defense contracts are also big business for Land Rover so you can expect new Defender to be as rugged as ever.

Engines are rumored to be an all-new inline six-cylinder petrol unit from Volvo along with a range of new diesel V6 and V8 engines.
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Old December 5th, 2003, 01:42 PM
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What defense contracts? I thought GB canned the purcahse of the Wolf for the Volvo.

Not enough units are bought by other countries to keep it afloat.
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Old December 5th, 2003, 04:40 PM
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the article also mentioned the possibility of the ckd being sold in NA as a kit car in 2004-2005, determined on a state by state basis according to state emissions standards.

but, a few months ago LRC was stating that a new defender probably wouldn't come out until 2010, when new cafe standards for europe match the US and also the british military isn't looking to change the current military spec until then (they are happy with the current model defender).

LR group would need a large govt contract to justify production of the new model.

their projections on future models will probably change a dozen more times before then.
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Old December 5th, 2003, 09:21 PM
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Sounds like rummers are flying. I read that GB defense did not renew any contracts with LR, but instead contracted with Pinzgauer for future trucks. I wonder who is right.
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Old December 7th, 2003, 09:23 PM
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SEMA 2003 Defender 110
Hey Guys -

I recently spoke with Rob at RoverAccessories in Torrance about some parts that I needed and our discussion turned towards something I thought you would be interested in....

Apparently, the Defender 110 WILL be making a North American entrance again. However, the 100s will not be sold in the dealerships, but rather as a kit that can be ordered from their parts department. RoverAccessories just put together a 110 for the SEMA show in Vegas last month. Apparently FORD was going to showcase a few Rovers and the new 110. However, Rob told me that they were so impressed with the 110 that they did not ever put their pimped out Range Rover on the floor. The 110 was the only Rover that Ford was showcasing.

The 110 comes shipped over in a large crate that includes several boxes of other unassembled components. Apparently LRNA was able to circumnavigate the safety concerns of the vehicle by selling it as a kit. In addition, LRNA dealers will not be able to assemble the vehicles. The kit will retail in the $28K to $35K range. Rob told me that assembly will run around 7K. He was also incredibly impressed with new diesel engine, soundproofing, and acoutrements of the new 110 (redesigned dash, electric, leather seats). He said that the 110 is similar to a G-500, which I hope is not the case. MBNA in my opinion completely ruined what was once a great handbuilt truck.

If you have any questions, give Rob a ring over at RoverAccessories...he can back me up and verify. I asked him about the 90s and he said that LRNA also plans on selling them as kits in a wagon version along with the 130s.

Is this good news? I'm still trying to sort it out...we shall see.

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Old December 7th, 2003, 09:54 PM
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Wow. Decided to see how Illinois handles it (see below). Seems like a big pain in the ass especially trying to get the title. I shudder to think what a potential review with the Il DMV would be like.

As much as a new D-90 with a diesel would be, sounds like it is too much trouble for the effort.

I wonder how long the build to certification process would be...
IE from Crate to leagally on the road.

My only concern would be how these new D's are badged. If they are badged like the origal factory ones or if they will denote their CKD origin.

TITLE: Document file
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http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/pu...ons/vsd625.pdf
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DESCRIPTION :
Vehicle Services Department
Fact Sheet
Specially Constructed Vehicle
JESSE WHITE
Secretary of State�Specially Constructed
Vehicle�means a vehicle that has been materially altered from its original
construction and body style by
the removal, addition or substitution of major component parts from two
or more vehicles or motorcycles of a different make, model
or year. Major component part shall include the chassis, frame, cab,
shell, kit, engine block, engine casing, transmission, and
unitized body supporting structure.�Body
style�means the physical appearance of the vehicle, (2-door car, pick-up truck,
van,
motorcycle, etc.). The title for a Specially Constructed Vehicle will
usually indicate two years, two makes and two vehicle
identification numbers.
REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION:
I. STATEMENT
Submit a statement of how the vehicle was constructed, detailing the
origin, make, model, year and vehicle identification
numbers of major component parts or essential parts, such as the
chassis or frame, cab or body, engine, and transmission.
If the chassis or frame was part of the kit, the statement must include
that information.
II. MAKES OF VEHICLE
A. Documentation for First Make Vehicles (chassis/frame/major component
parts):
1. Assigned Certificate of Title, or
2. Assigned Salvage Certificate, or
3. Assigned Junking Certificate, or
4. Certificate of Title in the name of the applicant for the Specially
Constructed Vehicle, or
5. Salvage Certificate in the name of the applicant for the Specially
Constructed Vehicle, or
6. Junking Certificate in the name of the applicant for the Specially
Constructed Vehicle.�If the frame is a part of the new kit
assembly and only other major component parts from the original vehicle
are being used
to construct the vehicle, a copy of one of the above items is required.
The copy must show the vehicle properly assigned
to the applicant. Bills of sale or an affirmation statement may be
submitted for the major component parts. The bill of sale/
affirmation statement must include the year, make and vehicle
identification number.�If the ownership document of the major
component parts used to assemble the First and Second Make of the Specially
Constructed Vehicle are supported by Junking Certificates, the major
component parts used to assemble the First and
Second Make must be from two or more different vehicles of a different
year, make or model, which contain two or more
different vehicle identification numbers.�Bills of sale are
required when a frame has been constructed from various materials or
the major components/body parts
are from various materials or vehicles. If the materials used were
previously owned by the applicant, an affirmation
statement may be submitted in lieu of the bills of sale. Each bill of
sale or affirmation statement must include the year, make
and vehicle identification number.�If required documentation
for each make cannot be furnished, see the Surety Bond Section of this
fact sheet.
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Old January 12th, 2004, 11:47 PM
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Looks an awful lot like the concept Bronco!
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Old January 12th, 2004, 11:54 PM
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at least it will still look like a square box
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Old January 13th, 2004, 12:05 AM
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well at least it wont be unibody. cut out the IFS and put some 60's under it.
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Old January 13th, 2004, 12:08 AM
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the fact is that it looks a lot more like a Rover then that Range Stormer
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Old January 13th, 2004, 12:32 AM
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That's not too bad. It could be a lot worse. I think I'll stick to my 97.
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Old January 13th, 2004, 01:00 AM
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