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Old February 25th, 2006, 03:41 PM
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There will not be a "new" defender untill 2010 at least in the Uk we get a faclift and new engine end of this year early next year. a 2.8 ford 4 cyl deisel 6 speed box and front facing rear seats and a slightly redesined bonet for pedestrian safty. This is all due to updated euro regulations
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Old February 25th, 2006, 03:44 PM
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Hmmmm..... updated ford manufactured diesel and new tranny? Well, that definitely has potential to be good news for the US crowd if it's more available at a cheaper price than the current ones., any more info on the engine/tranny set?

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Old February 25th, 2006, 09:25 PM
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My Information is, that this new engine will be a 2.4liter 4cylinder Ford Duratorq Common Rail Diesel Engine. It produces 137 hp and 375 Nm (277lbft?) of torque...
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Old February 25th, 2006, 11:08 PM
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But unless they boosted it up a bit for the Defender, the 2.4 Duratorq I'm coming up with the same numbers for the common-rail as well.

I'd also like to see the TD6 which has its own respectable numbers. 201hp and 325lb/ft of torque.

Either one would be great in a future US Defender
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Old February 26th, 2006, 04:43 AM
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Yes, this Disco 3 engine ist really great. But we'll first see it in this T5 Platform Defender in 2010...

I think, there will be a last classic Defender model available in North America, before this T5 thing shows up.

The Rest Of The World Spec. Defenders (Africa,...) with the classic 300tdi engine will be available in Germany until end of the year. A new Catalysator (?) is available, which brings this engine to EURO3 Standard!!!!
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Old March 1st, 2006, 04:42 PM
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wouldn't it be funny if they call the new model the "D90"?? (when and if it gets produced)

however it turns out i'm sure it will be a nice grocery getter.
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Looks like it might happen by 2008. I just googled "defender L317" and most current info says it will be produced off the LR3 chasis. It is code named L317. It sounds like it will not satisfy us defender owners who apreciate the Defender for it's simplicity and riggedness. I know the new one will never be what we hoped but I at least hope they stick to the utilitarian styling cues that set it apart from everything else. I hope it does well for LR and does not go the way of the Freelander.
Bring out the new truck. Just GIVE IT A NEW NAME!
Its not going to be a defender, so dont bother trying to make it a defender.
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 05:45 PM
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I agree that it won't be a true Defender, but to name it something stupid like an LR4 or LR7 makes about as much sense as George Foreman naming his SONS George Foreman Jr. and George Foreman III, IV, etc.

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Old March 2nd, 2006, 07:42 PM
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Main Entry: guardian
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: protector
Synonyms: alarm clock, angel, attendant, babysitter, bird dog, Cerberus, champion, conservator, cop, curator, custodian, defender, escort, guard, keeper, nurse, overseer, paladin, patrol, preserver, safeguard, sentinel, shepherd, sitter, sponsor, superintendent, supervisor, trustee, vigilante, warden, watchdog
Source: Roget's New Millenniumô Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
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I did a quick look online using Roget's Thesaurus to help Land Rover a new name for the Defender replacement. Using "Defender" in terms of "Guardian" (and not, say, as a legal advocate), here are the various synonyms.

My favorite: "Custodian". The Land Rover Custodian. Let's be real, right. It will certainly be softer, all to better cosset its occupants. With Selec-Trac, Terrain, or whatever the hell that dial is called, the Custodian will ensure all occupants navigate unfamiliar terrain that can be scary, but seems so great in the brochure.

Defender is so Land Rover of yesterday. Can't you just hear those terrible radio ads with the fake British accent roll off "Custodian, the care-taker for your once a year weekend excursion".
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Old March 3rd, 2006, 08:12 AM
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My favorite: "Custodian". The Land Rover Custodian. Let's be real, right. It will certainly be softer, all to better cosset its occupants. With Selec-Trac, Terrain, or whatever the hell that dial is called, the Custodian will ensure all occupants navigate unfamiliar terrain that can be scary, but seems so great in the brochure.
I like it!
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Old March 3rd, 2006, 10:14 AM
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This is why Land Rover should let the D-90 source do its marketing.

I'm envisioning a TV ad (much like the new Japanese RR Sport ad) with the "Custodian" driving from the grocery store and hitting traffic. The soccer mom behind the wheel puts on some Land Rover driving/work gloves (they're optional equipment) and swerving around pot holes on the way home. She clips the last one and they cut to a shot of the eggs in a canvas grocery bag (always thinking of the environment) not moving at all, to show how the air suspension works. Then they say, "Custodian, keeping to the roots of Land Rover to protect you and your passengers in the jungle of your life." Then some dribble about how Land Rover partnered with Ford who partnered with Volvo who partnered with Jaguar who partnered with Mazda who partnered with Carol Shelby to make the best vehicle ever made blah blah blah...
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Old March 3rd, 2006, 01:05 PM
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Custodian? That's what we called the people who cleaned the hallways at my High School, not the image I'd like to picture. However, it may be appropriate for the new vehicle.

I'm not too worried though, I'm quite happy with the one I've got already.

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Old March 3rd, 2006, 01:30 PM
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Custodian? That's what we called the people who cleaned the hallways at my High School, not the image I'd like to picture. However, it may be appropriate for the new vehicle.

I'm not too worried though, I'm quite happy with the one I've got already.

-Hans

You may be going at it from the wrong perspective. Sure some janitors are known as custodians. However, a custodian is also one who looks after, or cares for, someone or something that needs oversight. Nothing severe mind you, certainly not "guarding" which might imply combative, perilous life or death scenarios. Rather, the custodian ensures proper guidance and form for those who will likely go astray otherwise unattended. Think garden shears for the roses as opposed to a chainsaw for the bush. A little nip, a little tuck and all is well again.

A Land Rover Custodian would help look after those foolhardy types daring enough to pull a "Wild Kingdom" in the neighboring development. All mechanics would be sufficiently complex as to discourage any modifications; just leave such concerns to the good engineers at Land Rover. The Custodian will see to it. Big tires? Come now, you really shouldn't bother with such things. Before long you might end up with grease under the nails, tobacco stained teeth, and poor diction.
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Old May 16th, 2006, 02:32 AM
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Return of the NAS?

Land Rover announced today that the Defender would continue production in its current form until at least 2010, with significant upgrades in safety for the 2007 model, possibly allowing for its return to the US. Check it out...from reputable Channel 4 in the UK:

http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=14547

This could get interesting...
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Old May 16th, 2006, 08:08 AM
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A buddy of mine was recently inside the factory and saw the 2007 Defender. I posted a blog about it on our web site (that some conscrewed as a trick to get people to keep their current Defenders (not)). We would get plenty of work fixing old ones or tricking out new ones so what would be the motivation?? We were going just as strong in 1996 when Defenders where at the dealerships as we are in 2006 when they are not. People baffled me.
Anyway, I digress.
The 2007 Defener has been described in detail to me. It is not very different. From what I can gather it could possibly have a drivers air bag (SRS) sorted out as the dash is now much more Disco II like. The passenger side still looks to have no provisions for an air bag. ABS is already available on Defenders so some hurdles for US consumption have been crossed. The bugger is the motor.
There are no assembly lines or production plans for a gasoline engine for the Defender line. The entire line is being switched from Td5/ Tdi to a diesel from the Ford Transit van and that engine does not currently meet USA regs.
The LR3 is scheduled to come to the USA with a Puegot diesel, supposedly. Test mule LR3s have been spotted in USA trim in South America in testing. This is being done becuase the Rover and Ford diesels won't meet tests and output needs of US buyers. The Puegot diesel has not been fitted to the Defender.
So from what I know (not that I know it all) the Defender interior and some other minor aspects are being made ready to go upscale and get into new markets, but not enough changes have been made to reach US shores. In 2010-2015 sources say everything will be changed and a uni-body, IFS Defender will make it to the USA.
The biggest reason I do not believe a USA Defender will come to the USA in the next few years is the engine. Rover has nothing set up for a gas engine in a Defender, and US customers are not ready for diesel cars (I wish they were, but unlike the folks here on this board, the typical US buying public will not yet embrace diesel and the US government keeps making it harder and harder to sell diesels). In, ME, VT, MA etc Land Rover dealers would not be allowed to sell a new diesel LR3 or Defender. Yes the laws are that stupid.
I hope they come, but from what I have been told about from inside the factory about the 2007 model... I don't think so, not yet.
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Old May 16th, 2006, 09:55 AM
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I thought the Ford/Peugot diesel were the same, essentially a co-development project twinxt the two companies?

Moot really anyway as it seems you've hit the nail on the head: even with safety improvements and refinements, there is simply no motor that will get a ladder-frame, coil-sprung Defender to the states in the near-term.
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There may be a Ford/ Pugeot connection. I never dug into it as it never really mattered to me perosnally. I don't want an LR3 and a diesel Defender didn't seem slated to come back so I didn't bother to resreach it.
If the Pugeot diesel in the diesel LR3 is the same as used in the Ford Transit van then they might be sharing the same engine and that would bring it one step closer to the USA.
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Old May 16th, 2006, 11:58 AM
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The Defender is a "halo" vehicle. That is, a car which provides excellent brand imaging and drives consumers to the showroom. More than a few people wandered into a LR dealer pining for a Defender but driving away in a Disco. After all, both went on the Camel trophy runs, right? Your local dealer still has some old videos tucked away. Now that LR has moved farther up and shifted more towards comfort, a new sort of halo will be needed. LR will need to reaffirm its offroad status.

I give the modified Defender a pretty good shot at coming to the US. An engine can be sourced once quantities are set. Recall, the NAS Defender offered specs never seen elsewhere, including the engine. PAG also includes Jaguar, which gave the Range Rover an engine. Were I a betting man, I'd take a wager on this showing up.
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Old May 16th, 2006, 12:34 PM
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Do you think Land Rover currently cares about "off road status" in the US market??

LR3
Range Rover
Range Rover Sport
Keep in mind all these vehicles look sort of the same (brand imaging I think they call it) so where does the Defender fit in?

I'm not seeing a trend where they are pointing towards a rugged "truck" that most drivers of LR3s and RR Sports would complain about the ride, the noise, the leaks. I could be wrong, but in the USA market today with the Range Rover Sport, the BMW X5, the Audi Q7 and all... I think the Defender is dead to LRNA.

I hope Im wrong, but I think LRNA will take a look at the $$ and say it ain't worth it.
I'll be the first with a deposit down if they bring in a new one, but I can't see it happening.

It would be like Toyota bringing back a slightly modified 1979 FJ40. They didn't. They made a retro look something-or-other that has a brand image with a "real" FJ40... but they didn't bring back the "real" FJ40.
Neither will LRNA bring back the "real" Defender.

Here is an example...
Many times we get RR customers that want a Defender. They own and drive LR3s and RRs. They come to the shop and take a Defender for a spin. A good number of these people all come away with the same thing. "Oh my god that is loud and it rides so rough." They don't buy and they never think about a Defender again.
Do you really think that Ford hasn't done market research on stuff like that?

Its cup holders, power everything and all that BS for the US market guys.
I'll bet big money the Defender as we know and love it will never grace LRNA showroom floors again.

Also keep in mind we all knew the Defender was coming to the USA market for years in advance. The 1993 NAS 110 was no secret, nor was the 1994 NAS D90. We knew they were on the way for at least 2 years before they reached these shores.
Why would LRNA be being so quiet now if they desperately need the "halo" vehicle so badly?

Just my opinion.
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Old May 16th, 2006, 01:00 PM
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Honestly, I am starting to think that nobody really cares about the off-road market anymore. Just look at the Jeep 'Compass', which is starndard front wheel drive and OPTIONAL awd...... definitely focused for rainy weather mall shopping. They have been slowly slipping toward road-tuned vehicles for years, and the Wrangler is all they have left which interests anybody that wants an off-road truck.

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