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Old May 24th, 2013, 12:02 AM
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Did this attempted theft occur in MD??
Nope, this was in the UK before I moved over to the US. I get the impression Defender theft isn't as big of an issue here.
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Old May 24th, 2013, 12:04 AM
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Defender theft certainly has always been a big problem for owners in the UK, both to break for parts, ship abroad whole, or just for "shits and giggles" by lowlife scum. I experienced this first hand a few years ago when some of the aforementioned lowlifes tried stealing my '94 200tdi D90 from where it was parked outside my house, causing $3500 worth of damage in the process, and only failing when I was woken at 3am, coming down stairs just to hear them driving off in their getaway car. In the last couple of month half a dozen or so Police forces in the UK have issued specific warnings to Defender owners because of the recent increase in thefts.
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Nope, this was in the UK before I moved over to the US. I get the impression Defender theft isn't as big of an issue here.
Ok that's what I was thinking/hoping, and would have been plenty surprised if that was in the states. Thanks for clarifying.
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Old May 24th, 2013, 02:32 AM
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Still dont think OUR tax dollars should be spent doing the UK's police work. Sorry, but their theft problem is not our problem. Maybe Im just a little bit biased right now though....
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Old May 24th, 2013, 04:16 AM
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Still dont think OUR tax dollars should be spent doing the UK's police work. Sorry, but their theft problem is not our problem. Maybe Im just a little bit biased right now though....

Would you want their tax dollars going to help turn your stolen property if it ended up on a ship to the UK?
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Old May 24th, 2013, 05:20 AM
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Would you want their tax dollars going to help turn your stolen property if it ended up on a ship to the UK?

Nope. What I would want is for my tax dollars to be used effectively in the first place, for instance, by the CBP in ensuring that what is exported from my country (and imported, for that matter) is legitimate. Beyond that, my personal property is my own responsibility. If it gets stolen, its my own damn fault for not securing it properly.
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Nope. What I would want is for my tax dollars to be used effectively in the first place, for instance, by the CBP in ensuring that what is exported from my country (and imported, for that matter) is legitimate. Beyond that, my personal property is my own responsibility. If it gets stolen, its my own damn fault for not securing it properly.
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Nope. What I would want is for my tax dollars to be used effectively in the first place, for instance, by the CBP in ensuring that what is exported from my country (and imported, for that matter) is legitimate. Beyond that, my personal property is my own responsibility. If it gets stolen, its my own damn fault for not securing it properly.
Do you want your tax dollars to be used to prevent your country from being known as a safe haven for stolen goods?
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Old May 24th, 2013, 05:44 AM
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Do you want your tax dollars to be used to prevent your country from being known as a safe haven for stolen goods?

I think that problem would sort itself out if the borders were less porous and the authorities were more effective at screening what comes in and goes out.
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Old May 24th, 2013, 06:24 AM
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Nope. What I would want is for my tax dollars to be used effectively in the first place, for instance, by the CBP in ensuring that what is exported from my country (and imported, for that matter) is legitimate. Beyond that, my personal property is my own responsibility. If it gets stolen, its my own damn fault for not securing it properly.
Ditto!
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Old May 24th, 2013, 06:25 AM
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I think that problem would sort itself out if the borders were less porous and the authorities were more effective at screening what comes in and goes out.
Interesting, are you willing to pay considerably more in taxes and have significantly less freedom to achieve that endstate? Because that's what it would take to reduce the ability to 'infiltrate' the border and screen the tremendous amount of commerce coming and going from the country.
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Interesting, are you willing to pay considerably more in taxes and have significantly less freedom to achieve that endstate? Because that's what it would take to reduce the ability to 'infiltrate' the border and screen the tremendous amount of commerce coming and going from the country.

Wont equate to less freedom for me. Im a natural born, tax paying, veteran with no criminal record and nothing to hide. Securing our borders would only make my life better. I think everyone here would also agree that we pay enough taxes already, and the problem is waste and misuse of resources. Not intending to stir up any political debates, just two pennies from a guy with no truck.
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Wont equate to less freedom for me. Im a natural born, tax paying, veteran with no criminal record and nothing to hide. Securing our borders would only make my life better. I think everyone here would also agree that we pay enough taxes already, and the problem is waste and misuse of resources. Not intending to stir up any political debates, just two pennies from a guy with no truck.
As someone with pretty much the same background what I'd offer is that the securing of the border + actual confidence in the nature & intentions of the commerce coming and going is a far larger proposition than just re-allocating resources and making things more efficient through waste cutting measures. The scope and scale of containerized cargo alone makes that a difficult proposition. There's a lot of pundits saying it has to be fixed but like most problems they're not offering any actual substantive solutions, merely shouting about a problem.

Most of what I based my initial post on was the sheer physics of the problem when it comes to a nation based on free trade, the politics of it are something else entirely but really can't be divorced from the situation.

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Nope. What I would want is for my tax dollars to be used effectively in the first place, for instance, by the CBP in ensuring that what is exported from my country (and imported, for that matter) is legitimate. Beyond that, my personal property is my own responsibility. If it gets stolen, its my own damn fault for not securing it properly.

You've made a circular argument here that has no end game. The US government is doing just as you've asked, ensuring the legitimacy of certain imported goods. I see no problem with using US taxpayer dollars to help out a friendly nation AND to ensure that certain goods aren't stolen property. Stolen from hard working people who I'm sure don't deserve the loss.

By the way, really? Such a hard line on someone's unfortunate theft? The reason Defenders are targeted in the UK is due to the premium commanded for them in the US market and the heretofore lax CBP monitoring. Vehicle security is really just an illusion unless you keep it in a bunker and never drive it. Thus, remove the profitability (easy importation into the US market) and you've reduced the motivation for theft. It's just the right thing to do.
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You've made a circular argument here that has no end game. The US government is doing just as you've asked, ensuring the legitimacy of certain imported goods. I see no problem with using US taxpayer dollars to help out a friendly nation AND to ensure that certain goods aren't stolen property. Stolen from hard working people who I'm sure don't deserve the loss.

By the way, really? Such a hard line on someone's unfortunate theft? The reason Defenders are targeted in the UK is due to the premium commanded for them in the US market and the heretofore lax CBP monitoring. Vehicle security is really just an illusion unless you keep it in a bunker and never drive it. Thus, remove the profitability (easy importation into the US market) and you've reduced the motivation for theft. It's just the right thing to do.
And we Brits are a very friendly bunch!

'Heretofore' that's an awesome word to use before the first coffee of the day!
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You've made a circular argument here that has no end game. The US government is doing just as you've asked, ensuring the legitimacy of certain imported goods. I see no problem with using US taxpayer dollars to help out a friendly nation AND to ensure that certain goods aren't stolen property. Stolen from hard working people who I'm sure don't deserve the loss.

By the way, really? Such a hard line on someone's unfortunate theft? The reason Defenders are targeted in the UK is due to the premium commanded for them in the US market and the heretofore lax CBP monitoring. Vehicle security is really just an illusion unless you keep it in a bunker and never drive it. Thus, remove the profitability (easy importation into the US market) and you've reduced the motivation for theft. It's just the right thing to do.
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And we Brits are a very friendly bunch!

'Heretofore' that's an awesome word to use before the first coffee of the day!
Dont' get carried away now. Certainly not a character endorsement for white SW owning and boost loving Brits.

Thank you for noticing the word. Learned it from my 8th grader the other day and have been dying to use it in a sentence.
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Dont' get carried away now. Certainly not a character endorsement for white SW owning and boost loving Brits.

Thank you for noticing the word. Learned it from my 8th grader the other day and have been dying to use it in a sentence.
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Defender theft in the UK was a problem before the demand in the US market rose.

I think you missed an important point that makes his argument very strong. It is not a circular argument. He said that the UK government should catch the stolen property before it leaves their port. Our port should not have to track down stolen property that has already been processed and released at the UK end. It should be identified at their port.

Their officers should be more informed about the true nature of the items in question. Not looking for new door hinges with K9 backup.


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You've made a circular argument here that has no end game. The US government is doing just as you've asked, ensuring the legitimacy of certain imported goods. I see no problem with using US taxpayer dollars to help out a friendly nation AND to ensure that certain goods aren't stolen property. Stolen from hard working people who I'm sure don't deserve the loss.

By the way, really? Such a hard line on someone's unfortunate theft? The reason Defenders are targeted in the UK is due to the premium commanded for them in the US market and the heretofore lax CBP monitoring. Vehicle security is really just an illusion unless you keep it in a bunker and never drive it. Thus, remove the profitability (easy importation into the US market) and you've reduced the motivation for theft. It's just the right thing to do.
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Again, nothing wrong with a coordinated effort in this day and age of global trade. With the volume of goods moving in and out of ports, a better focus on both ends will help to reduce the problem.
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Again, nothing wrong with a coordinated effort in this day and age of global trade. With the volume of goods moving in and out of ports, a better focus on both ends will help to reduce the problem.
Agreed. Receiving stolen goods is also a crime.
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