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Old April 15th, 2013, 08:36 PM
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Yes, excuse the term and very much appreciate the responses. The portion of the response from the builder (MRM Specialist Vehicles in the UK) is below. I have of course made the assumption that the body style wasnt changed. As I mentioned i am awaiting the paperwork from customs detailing each infraction.

"Vin on the bulkhead / brake booster is the original vin tag and it matches the numbers in the leg , which also correspond to the V5."
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Yes, excuse the term and very much appreciate the responses. The portion of the response from the builder (MRM Specialist Vehicles in the UK) is below. I have of course made the assumption that the body style wasnt changed. As I mentioned i am awaiting the paperwork from customs detailing each infraction.

"Vin on the bulkhead / brake booster is the original vin tag and it matches the numbers in the leg , which also correspond to the V5."
MRM does not have the best reputation. I know that's not what you want hear or is helpful at this time. I did my due diligence on Matt (MRM) and walked away.

I think everything jpgregory stated above is probable as well.

Let us know specifically what CBP has their undies in bunch over. Is it modified body?, non original engine? Maybe new bulkhead with non-matching VIN on brake booster box.
It's hard to say without knowing exactly what you were flagged for.
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"Vin on the bulkhead / brake booster is the original vin tag and it matches the numbers in the leg , which also correspond to the V5."
Do you have the VIN #? Do you have the engine #? Does the engine number ALSO match the V5? Do you know the body style and engine fitted currently? A VIN decoder is here if you need it?

http://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.Chassis_Numbers.html (lower half of page).

You should be able to check what the factory configuration was (per the VIN) and compare to what it is today. If the engine or body style are different today than what the VIN says they should be then those are big red flags and it may not be worth fighting it (confirm with your lawyer of course). If not then it may be more interpretation and you will need to wait and see what they say to decide if you want/may be able to fight it or not.

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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:17 PM
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just because the engine number matches the V5, doesn't mean it matches the VIN. If it was petrol when if the factory and they did a diesel swap at some point during it's life...hate to say it but you may issues...

Please post up what you hear from them, it's the only way we'll ever figure what can imported...
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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:33 PM
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Do you have the VIN #? Do you have the engine #? Does the engine number ALSO match the V5? Do you know the body style and engine fitted currently? A VIN decoder is here if you need it?

http://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.Chassis_Numbers.html (lower half of page).

You should be able to check what the factory configuration was (per the VIN) and compare to what it is today. If the engine or body style are different today than what the VIN says they should be then those are big red flags and it may not be worth fighting it (confirm with your lawyer of course). If not then it may be more interpretation and you will need to wait and see what they say to decide if you want/may be able to fight it or not.

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Thanks all the info. I will certainly let the board know the issues and how / if they get resovled.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:36 PM
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So I guess this means rebuilds and upgrades will have to happen once here? Or not at all?
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Old April 15th, 2013, 09:50 PM
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You could convert a station wagon to a double cab in the matter of a few hours, that'd be a silly reason for it to be seized, although I guess it makes sense if the body description in the VIN doesn't match the actual body. My VIN number is for a petrol V8, but mine now has a TDI, but still uses the original petrol LT77. I've actually been thinking of converting my to a station wagon...
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It doesn't matter what the body type is, only that it matches the original configuration which is recorded in the VIN. If it doesn't match the original configuration then it is not valid to be imported. Same deal applies to the engine which is also recorded in the VIN.
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I MAY BE WRONG BUT I'VE READ THAT THE TRUCK MUST BE 60% ORIGINAL. I've stated this in other forums in the past. Too bad I can't seem to remember where I've read this during my 1 year of research before I imported my truck.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 01:40 AM
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I MAY BE WRONG BUT I'VE READ THAT THE TRUCK MUST BE 60% ORIGINAL. I've stated this in other forums in the past. Too bad I can't seem to remember where I've read this during my 1 year of research before I imported my truck.
You're wrong.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 07:56 AM
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You're wrong.
This is probably something from the UK talking about rebuilt trucks and avoiding Q plates.
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My seized 110

So the motor is a 300 tdi which was also what was in it originally, although not the original motor. The truck started as a 3 door but was converted to a 5 door. The frame was the original frame but was galvanized which thinking back, probably shouldnt have been done. The issue is that customs wont mail the letter with all the detail to me for a 'few weeks'. So i will incur storage costs for a month until I even get the letter to respond. You would think these customs would have better things to do like find drugs or real illegal items rather than a truck. its unreal.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 08:07 AM
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I MAY BE WRONG BUT I'VE READ THAT THE TRUCK MUST BE 60% ORIGINAL. I've stated this in other forums in the past. Too bad I can't seem to remember where I've read this during my 1 year of research before I imported my truck.
Cougar, not sure you've seen it, but in literally every other thread you've said this, you've been told this is completely false.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 08:07 AM
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Also, I just joined this board yesterday....you all really make it a great, informative board. Ton of garbage out there but this really seems like the real deal...so thanks to all for the help.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 08:18 AM
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So the motor is a 300 tdi which was also what was in it originally, although not the original motor. The truck started as a 3 door but was converted to a 5 door. The frame was the original frame but was galvanized which thinking back, probably shouldnt have been done. The issue is that customs wont mail the letter with all the detail to me for a 'few weeks'. So i will incur storage costs for a month until I even get the letter to respond. You would think these customs would have better things to do like find drugs or real illegal items rather than a truck. its unreal.
People have been abusing the system to the point where I guess it was embarrassing to some official. Now they are clamping down and actually applying the rules.

I wouldn't be optimistic about getting your truck into the US.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 08:25 AM
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They did not make the 300 tdi in 1987. So, your vehicle is either not a 1987 or it is not the original type of engine.
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I MAY BE WRONG BUT I'VE READ THAT THE TRUCK MUST BE 60% ORIGINAL. I've stated this in other forums in the past. Too bad I can't seem to remember where I've read this during my 1 year of research before I imported my truck.

Yes and you should stop as this is COMPLETELY incorrect.

This comment is right up there with MRM telling this young man his 300 tdi was the original engine configuration
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So the motor is a 300 tdi which was also what was in it originally, although not the original motor. The truck started as a 3 door but was converted to a 5 door. The frame was the original frame but was galvanized which thinking back, probably shouldnt have been done. The issue is that customs wont mail the letter with all the detail to me for a 'few weeks'. So i will incur storage costs for a month until I even get the letter to respond. You would think these customs would have better things to do like find drugs or real illegal items rather than a truck. its unreal.
You have no chance. The 300 tdi engine wasn't introduced until 93. Your truck would have had a Td or a 2.5na if it was built as a diesel. The three door to five door change is also a change from "original configuration" and wont make it in. The galvanized chassis is likely a new replacement, not the original, either way considered VIN tampering. If the truck was converted to left hand drive and the VIN indicates it was originally a right hand drive this will also result in entry being refused. Get a maritime law atty involved asap. Not trying to be negative or burst your bubble but know what I'm talking about.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 08:58 AM
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You have no chance. The 300 tdi engine wasn't introduced until 93. Your truck would have had a Td or a 2.5na if it was built as a diesel. The three door to five door change is also a change from "original configuration" and wont make it in. The galvanized chassis is likely a new replacement, not the original, either way considered VIN tampering. If the truck was converted to left hand drive and the VIN indicates it was originally a right hand drive this will also result in entry being refused. Get a maritime law atty involved asap. Not trying to be negative or burst your bubble but know what I'm talking about.
Ugh, wonderful. Thanks for the info though. Have an attorney already. We are waiting on the doc's from customs and then respond accordingly. So this truck, if not destroyed, will have to be sent back to the UK and I will have to fight with MRM to get my money back I guess. Great. Does anyone have experience with MRM? I did some diligence on them prior to buying. Clearly I didnt do enough......
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Old April 16th, 2013, 09:08 AM
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Good luck...if I were in your shoes Devin I would look at the correspondence and advertising from MRM. If they represented that it was able to be imported in any descriptions you should be able to get your money back. "should be" being operative. I hope it works out for you. I would start now with MRM though. As Doug points out it won't be able to be imported.

Frankly fighting the govt has proven expensive to many people, only the lawyers win
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