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Old March 29th, 2017, 09:25 PM
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Defender Defender GPS security

Hi all - new owner here (97 NAS SW), but shhh, don't tell my wife yet as it is our anniversary present (we were married in 97 and always wanted one of these...)

Been thinking about how to secure the car, we live in the SF Bay Area. Not really interested in traditional car alarms that false alarm the whole time and no one pays attention to. Came across an article in LR addict from Nov 4 2016 about how to secure your Defender (can't post links yet). #5 on their list is this GPS product called Defender Defender (nb terrible name as it is impossible to Google). Anyway been talking to these guys about running this in the US and seems like it will work, although it is a pre-paid UK SIM, they said assuming to too much cell traffic should be fine with no overages. I like the idea of being able to have geo-fencing and remote disable.

Anyway - anybody heard of these guys or had any experience with them?

Also, not affiliated with the company in any way.

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Old March 29th, 2017, 10:38 PM
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I use these, and they are awesome:

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Battery lasts several months, completely isolated from the cars electrical system, and with the magnet you can hide the device almost anywhere.

I can control mine from my phone from an app and they are dirt cheap to use assuming you don't want constant updates as to it's location.
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Old March 29th, 2017, 10:45 PM
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I use these, and they are awesome:



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Battery lasts several months, completely isolated from the cars electrical system, and with the magnet you can hide the device almost anywhere.



I can control mine from my phone from an app and they are dirt cheap to use assuming you don't want constant updates as to it's location.


Can you set up a geo fence alarm with this, were your vehicle to move?


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Old March 30th, 2017, 09:09 AM
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I think so, yes, I've never wanted to do it.

The problem with geo-fencing is that if you forget to turn it off, your phone goes mad while you drive the car.

If ever a car is stolen, I can find it's location instantly and on command. Also, it keeps location reports so I can find out where the car has been.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 10:02 AM
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I think so, yes, I've never wanted to do it.



The problem with geo-fencing is that if you forget to turn it off, your phone goes mad while you drive the car.



If ever a car is stolen, I can find it's location instantly and on command. Also, it keeps location reports so I can find out where the car has been.


Sounds like a pretty decent system, what's the battery life like?


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Old March 30th, 2017, 11:07 AM
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Thanks guys.

Interesting product Wilboro. I assume you need to provide your own SIM either prepaid or postpaid on your cellular account? Does it alert you that the battery is dead? Any placement considerations (so that it can get a 3G signal?)

Heard back from Defender Defender guys and they are willing to consider different pricing if I provide my own US SIM. I do like the fact that you could cut power to the ignition remotely from this product.

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The problem at least here in Canada, is the SIM card plan is the largest expense.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 11:24 AM
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In the US at least, I'm finding $5 per month pay as you go plans specifically targeted for GPS trackers using the T-mobile network. When I looked at adding it to my existing AT&T plan, it was going to be at least $20 per month.

And looking further at the tracker that Wilboro linked to, it looks like it is 2G only which I thought was going away soon (edit- just checked and it sounds like t-mobile will keep 2G until 2020 or so, AT&T shutting down now. AT&T shutting down may impact 2G coverage, not sure if it matters)

Trackmate GPS is another that I've come across, with plans from $9-$23 per month, but it seems like that one is really targeted at delivery trucks/companies, not really vehicle security.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 11:29 AM
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Sounds like a pretty decent system, what's the battery life like?

The battery life is huge, several months with regular use, and can last over a year when in "sleep mode", where you don't get location updates, but can be woken up at any time by text message.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 11:41 AM
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I do like the fact that you could cut power to the ignition remotely from this product.
Actually, although this seems like a good idea on the face value of things, It's an option I'd never use.

If my car gets stolen, I'd use the tracking device to find it, and get the police there and make a recovery, and actually get my vehicle returned.

The second you trigger the ignition to be cut remotely, you're giving the thieves an opportunity to know you're onto them and give them a chance to burn the car out and run, or even find the tracking device and tear it out.

You'd probably destroy all chances of getting the car back by giving them that advanced warning.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 11:43 AM
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These trackmate units caught my eye when I bought my new motorcycle.
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Buy a extra phone wire it in hot at all times n hide it from view.
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You'd probably destroy all chances of getting the car back by giving them that advanced warning.
Do you know this for a fact, or is this an opinion?
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Is this the Defender Defender?

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Amazon has them $130 shipped. Includes 5 years of data. Just plug it into the OBD port and be done with it (located behind the covered panel in front of the shifter). Obviously, this will not work if the Defender was dragged onto a flatbed.

https://www.automatic.com/pro/
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Hehehe....the best theft deterrent I ever found was the battery isolator switch AND put the LT230 in neutral.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 01:23 PM
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Amazon has them $130 shipped. Includes 5 years of data. Just plug it into the OBD port and be done with it (located behind the covered panel in front of the shifter). Obviously, this will not work if the Defender was dragged onto a flatbed.

https://www.automatic.com/pro/
The OBD port is the first place any thief will look. Of course, real thieves have cell phone signal and GPS jammers.
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Is this the Defender Defender?
Yes, that is it. Their main website is defenderdefender dot co dot uk
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AND put the LT230 in neutral.
You're evil!!! I LOVE it!

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The OBD port is the first place any thief will look. Of course, real thieves have cell phone signal and GPS jammers.
Yes to both. But not the punks/joy riders/car jackers/etc. They wouldn't have a clue where the OBD port is on a defender or take the time to access it if they did. Besides, if the Automatic Pro is unplugged, you receive a notification on your phone. That's better than nothing.
They are good for telling your teenage driver(s) to slow down, too.
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