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Old June 29th, 2016, 11:45 AM
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Defender Damaged by US Government Contractor

In July of 2014 my client was in the process of doing a ground up restoration on their Defender 110. The Land Rover had been completely disassembled. Old and damaged parts were being replaced with new, fresh paint was going on, and everything was pretty well ready for final mock-up before going back together. But, then before dawn on July 15th, my client received a visit from agents with the US Dept. of Homeland Security. Most of you know where the story goes from here........

When the DHS showed up to seize my client's Defender two years ago, I'm taken to understand that the agents weren't quite sure what to do with it, on account of it being in so many pieces all over the shop. There apparently was some discussion of just leaving it there, but the lead agent in Wilmington, NC insisted that it be collected. Ultimately, they ended up dragging the heavy parts across the ground with the tow truck's winch. Then they threw all of the remaining parts, interior pieces and all, into a pile on the back of the tow truck. The tow truck driver strapped it all together with metal bands and then cinched it all down, effectively crushing it. And, the response received by the client when they asked that the parts be treated more carefully; "Why?! It's all just scrap metal any way!!" This, of course, didn't sit too well with my client......or with me.

Part of the settlement agreement I negotiated with the government last year called for the allowance of claims by my clients to seek reimbursement in instances where their vehicles had sustained damage while in the government's custody. Fortunately, for most of my clients, their vehicles were returned in relatively the same condition as when they had been taken the year prior. However, this was not the case for this particular client. And, if the way the parts had been handled wasn't bad enough, the government contractor tasked with storing it then left it to sit in a field, outside in the elements, for the better part of a year.

After receiving it back, my client began the process of assessing the damage, and I assisted them in preparing and filing their claim. In doing so, I was once again given pause to appreciate just how rarely the government fails to prevail in these civil forfeiture cases. It took more than four (4) months for the government just to be able to supply me with the contact information for the correct department, office, agent, etc. with whom to file the claim, because nobody knew who to send us too! And now, nearly five (5) months later, and we find ourselves where we are today. In three (3) weeks time (more than a year since the Defender's release/return), I will be flying out with my client to meet with the representatives of the government contractor who are flying in from Washington, D.C.. The purpose of our meeting is to oversee the contractor's inspection of my client's Defender for the first time since the Defender was returned to them, just over a year ago. Needless to say, it has been a long and tedious journey thus far..............

This story and these photos are published by me with the client's blessing. That being said, the client has requested that I maintain their anonymity at this time, and please allow me to thank you in advance for your understanding on such account. As always, we very much appreciate the support of the Land Rover enthusiast community and the members of DefenderSource.com!
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Old June 29th, 2016, 11:51 AM
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Old June 29th, 2016, 11:56 AM
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This saddens me to no end. I hope you win a million dollar settlement for your client.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 12:23 PM
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What poor judgement that lead investigator had. The sad part is that they will probably have 0% accountability for this because they were "just doing their job."

I hope that in the end it all works out for your client.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 12:25 PM
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That is deplorable.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 12:26 PM
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Best of luck Will.

I'm as pleased as you that it looks like you are prevailing with recovery of RICO forfeited property.

Are punitive damages allowed for in the statue? (I'm too lazy to look it up in the CFR).

Looks like he started with a pretty nice solid truck and it is barely that now.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 01:07 PM
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Nice job Will! Our community is lucky to have someone like you willing to step in a help out.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 02:26 PM
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Pretty sure that lead agent used to work for the EPA in the 80's. he's the reason why we started hating the government.

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Old June 29th, 2016, 05:17 PM
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What happened with the guy whose wire harness ended up wrapped around the driveshaft?
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Old June 29th, 2016, 06:49 PM
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What happened with the guy whose wire harness ended up wrapped around the driveshaft?
Jimmy,

He and I spoke last week and he is up next on my list! Given that we were having to break new ground (among other factors), I made the call to take them through in single file rather than all at once, so as to avoid confusion on the government's end. As we now know, the government is easily confused in this context. At any rate, it should take considerably less time to process his claim now that the track has been cleared!
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Old June 29th, 2016, 07:00 PM
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Just out of curiosity, which contractor was it that performed the work?
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Old June 29th, 2016, 07:57 PM
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Just out of curiosity, which contractor was it that performed the work?
The main government contractor is a company by the name of AECOM ( http://www.aecom.com ). In the interest of preserving the general location of the client's vehicle's location, I'm going to withhold the name of the subcontractor for now.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 07:57 PM
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Ah, AECOM. Ran into them in the Balkans back in the 90s. Bunch of jumped up a--holes.
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I'm not sure how this Defender is within the purview of DHS.
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If it gets to depositions, I would hate to be the tow company owner, operator and agent.
But I would love to be a fly on the wall....
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I'm not sure how this Defender is within the purview of DHS.
IIRC, CBP is part of DHS.

I know everything related to my importation of parts is governed by DHS/CBP
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Old December 16th, 2016, 12:34 PM
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An updated photo from my client. Back at the end of July/beginning of August we made a friendly wager on whether or not he could have it together, running, and driving before the end of the year.......I guess I lost our bet!

And, yes, he 100% reassembled it himself, paint and all, in his own garage! Making up for 2-years of lost time!
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Surely not just done on weekends.
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