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Old February 20th, 2008, 04:20 PM
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Defender 90 door panels

Trying to gauge interest here on reproductions of the 1995-1997 style NAS soft top door panels (the interior plastic bit). These would be made as per the originals (same style, same color, etc.) They would not have the fabric pocket, but will have the spot to add one if you like, or transfer an old one to the new panel.
In costing these out they would be roughly 350. each (350 for the LH and then again 350 for the RH) for a small run. The larger the run the less the costs. The tooling is where most of the costs are. So is there any interest in an "at cost" group buy at that kind of price level, or is it too costly??
Short of sending it to China I can't get it done with quality materials (better that original) for any less.

We were working with Rovers North on these, but instead of making the exact copies that I needed they made changes/compromises so that the one panel fit all years from Series Rovers to 97 D90s and I can't use those in my projects because I think they look goofy with all the extra stuff that is unused in the original application, and they are only making black. So now I have to go it alone.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 09:15 PM
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Mike, might be a bit steep for me, but if you make them for middle doors on the 110's as well, I'd probably fork out for a pair of those and matching fronts
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Old February 20th, 2008, 09:47 PM
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700 vs 200? Hmmm, I guess I'm not your customer.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 11:18 PM
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I am a bit confused. How will the ECR ones differ from the genuine ones that are $297

http://www.roversnorth.com/store/pc-...-style-lh.aspx

Will yours be a better design? Bolts not rip through?
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Old February 20th, 2008, 11:27 PM
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I am a bit confused. How will the ECR ones differ from the genuine ones that are $297

http://www.roversnorth.com/store/pc-...-style-lh.aspx

Will yours be a better design? Bolts not rip through?
he said he's aiming for exact copies, made of better materials
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Old February 20th, 2008, 11:35 PM
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Can anyone tell me why there needs to be sutch a deep bump out around the door handle ? Doesnt this make it a chore to open the door ?
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Old February 20th, 2008, 11:54 PM
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I am a bit confused. How will the ECR ones differ from the genuine ones that are $297

http://www.roversnorth.com/store/pc-...-style-lh.aspx

Will yours be a better design? Bolts not rip through?

That is not a Genuine part.
The Genuine ones have been NLA for quite some time.

That is the part that RN made from our originals. They promised exact copies so we agreed to let them use our originals as molds. They then changed the design to fit various models and offer them only in black and its made in China to a price point. That was not what we had signed on for. Basically, I got used.
Works for some I'm sure, but not for our restorations.

Seems from this feedback there is no place for a true exact copy at that price. Thanks for the feedback.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 11:56 PM
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Basically, I got used.
seems to be the RN way
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:32 AM
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I'd be in.

Its pretty much the outside I'd pay, but I've never been dissappointed in a part I got frm ECR, so I'm certain that quality, fit, and appearance would be worth the price.

I'd also be in for a set of rear door panels if they were available at some point.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 09:23 AM
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Thanks for the feedback and compliment.
The 350 is a no profit number, so it appears it is too costly to market. The originals were closer to 400 when they were available a few years back. Our customers never had a problem with it, but to make this work the numbers we would produce would mean it would have to be "mail order-able".
Yes, you can buy Chinese flimsy stuff in the wrong color and texture for less. I'll save my "made in the USA" soap box speech.
We have 2 options, one is a really small run so that we can have the right thing for restorations and the other was to make a lot more in order to try and bring overall costs down. Looks like option 1.

The rear door panels are not something we will ever be making for mail order. If 350 is scary for the ton of fronts we were going to make, then imagine the price the rears would have to be due to the tiny numbers we would ever sell.


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seems to be the RN way

Yup, somewhere on Cape Cod Badger is saying, Told ya so!"
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Basically, I got used.
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good lord I hate RN....

so as a side note: a prior owner put a RN sticker on the back of my rig... what's the best way to get it off without damaging the paint (not counting a blow torch)

and then there's the crappy RN top someone put on it... what can I ethically do with it? (besides attempt to make a shelter for a homeless person)
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Old February 21st, 2008, 09:36 AM
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Brad,

Try goo gone to remove the sticker. Send pics of the top to badger, depending on the year and stitching, it might be his top.

If it's not his, I wouldn't even offer it to the homeless...that would be like given the homeless muffins without the muffin tops. <Seinfeld reference>

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Mike, I wouldn't mind the extra $50 if it really address the issues with the original panels, ie screw hole durability. I know you want to keep them original as possible, but a slight modification to the speaker area would be nice. Having them angled slight upward or moved would be great!
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Old February 21st, 2008, 09:44 AM
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Send pics of the top to badger
I did... he confirmed it was a RN ripoff so now I've got crappy canvas I need to get rid of but I'd feel guilty about reselling it. If I could sew maybe I'd make a back-country outhouse out of it... but alas...
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hair dryer will soften things enough to peel it off. naptha to clean any residue. gotta do the same thing, but I like RN so I'll just peel off all the other goofy fake COO stickers and clubs that I am not affiliated with etc.

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so as a side note: a prior owner put a RN sticker on the back of my rig... what's the best way to get it off without damaging the paint (not counting a blow torch)
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so as a side note: a prior owner put a RN sticker on the back of my rig... what's the best way to get it off without damaging the paint (not counting a blow torch)
3M Stripe Off Eraser Wheel (PN 0479) ... can find at auto paint stores..

... Other than that, there are multiple products such as goo-gone that'll work. Heat definitely helps (hair dryer or heat gun)
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Mike,

I am sure there is interest in the doors considering it is only 50 bucks more than RN. Side note RNs says the parts are genuine on that page.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 11:02 AM
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I would be willing to work with ECR to come up with someting as close as possible close to the original if they were willing . Plus I have ethics and wouldnt screw them over . Just ask Scorpion Racing if in doubt .
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Old February 21st, 2008, 11:04 AM
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I'd be in.

Its pretty much the outside I'd pay, but I've never been dissappointed in a part I got frm ECR, so I'm certain that quality, fit, and appearance would be worth the price.
Me, too. Same logic. I'd take one of each. (LH & RH).
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Old February 21st, 2008, 11:05 AM
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Dumb question but will 95/97 door panels fit the 94s?
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Old February 21st, 2008, 11:35 AM
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No, the 95-97 panel will not fit a 94.
The door retainer (thing that stops the door opening too far) is different on the 94 (well, some very late 94 had the 95 style). The 94 uses the same thing as a Series III to retain the door.

You can change the 94 door retainer to the 95-97 style though and then the panels would work.

The 94s had a black padded door panel, not the hard grey of the 95-97 so it wouldn't be "original" and if we do this we can only make 1, so we need to go with the one we need more often.

Tony, if you have a better way of making molds and thermo-forming plastic in North America, email me. I'm happy to work with anyone if the parts can be "right" (and I mean my version of "right")


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Side note RNs says the parts are genuine on that page.
If that was true then this would be incorrect:

"Mark Letorney wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> Happy New Year.
> The panels are coming along nicely. We now have a design that will fit
> Series III through to
> 97 NAS. We can only do them in black at this time, as the cost of the
> grey would triple the price to customers.
> This is why Land Rover used that funny grey covering instead of
> actually using the correct grey plastic.
> As for the panels you supplied, I requested them returned for the 1st
> of the year. I chased them today and
> learned they where sent to me last week from CO, so I expect them any
> day and will forward to you immediately.
> I tried calling you a few times to discuss color and latch details but
> your phone rang and rang and finally acted
> like a fax, so I assumed you were away.

Away... that would be nice. I'm always here. You must have been calling
the fax line as that is the only one with a fax machine attached to it.
The phone lines here are:
207-594-8086 or 207-594-XXXX is my private line.
Our office manager, Holly, is here all the time to get the phone.

Bummer about the black.
I can't use black, other than on early 94s.
I need factory replacements, and that means gray for most of the cars we do.

Are you saying you have one design with various compromises that works
with all types now?? That isn't what I need or what we discussed.

Sadly for me this was about getting correct replacement panels. It
appears that you have gone a different direction.
If I'm reading that wrong let me know.

I look forward to getting the panels back so that I can get some made in
the correct color and design.

Mike, ECR

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