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Old August 30th, 2009, 08:27 AM
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He claims they already put silicon in the motor...

I'll talk to him this morning when he pics up his TJ. I am skeptical of the entire story, so I'll interrogate him some more this morning.
No biggie. Put a new one in. It's $4,500 for christ's sake!
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Old August 30th, 2009, 09:21 AM
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Question: What Happens to Old Cars Under the Cash for Clunkers Program?
Cash for Clunkers is a federal program designed to stimulate U.S. auto sales and help the environment by providing an economic incentive for consumers to replace old, low-mileage vehicles with new, fuel-efficient models that are safer and emit less pollution and fewer greenhouse gases.

Answer: Dealers would send the Cash for Clunkers trade-ins to a salvage operator. The legislation requires the engine, transmission and other drivetrain components to be destroyed so they canít be reused and continue to pollute the air and burn excessive amounts of fuel. Salvage operators would be free to resell other vehicle parts, however, which could be used to repair other vehicles or recycled as scrap and used to manufacture other products.
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Old August 30th, 2009, 10:34 AM
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So I talked to the this morning when he picked up his TJ. What he describes sounds like a VIN swap and many parts have already been taken off of it. The cage and a lot of the dash is missing, and so is the VIN plate by the windshield. He said the VIN stamped on the frame looks pretty cheesy.
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Old August 30th, 2009, 11:30 AM
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so the guy wasn't that dumb
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Sounds like it would be worth taking a look at... Get a few pics.
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Old August 31st, 2009, 12:25 PM
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I am going to have to swing by this Volvo dealer and take a look at this truck.
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Please do. I want to verify that it's a true story! Please let us know what you find and post some pics!!!
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Old August 31st, 2009, 01:05 PM
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If they've already seized the motor then they've already gotten paid on it, which means it is probably already gone from the dealer's lot.
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Old August 31st, 2009, 01:06 PM
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If they've already seized the motor then they've already gotten paid on it, which means it is probably already gone from the dealer's lot.
Maybe not - it was there as of Saturday.
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Old August 31st, 2009, 01:14 PM
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At the very least if this is true, the parts would be worth picking over at a JY.
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1. silicon in the engine is a requirement for the Clunkers program, as it must be disabled that way. No dealership is going to mess with that step as not doing so could slow down the reimbursement from the government on all submissions from that dealership. Just got to except it as a death in the family.

2. Sounds like whoever turned it in knew what to do and stripped it out first. As the truck can be and is expected to be sold for parts they shoud sell what ever is left as parts. If the guy got $4500 - what is the official MPG for the 1994 defender? or $3500 AND stripped it first - that's one for the little guy!

One question - I assume the VIN must be retired under the clunkers program? If the idea is to get the truck off the road (god, what an oxymoron statement) parting out the thing is the only option.
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Old August 31st, 2009, 03:12 PM
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I feel like we should at least hold some sort of memorial service. I mean, jeez, look at the the outpouring of mourners for Ted Kennedy. There should be at least as many Defender owners paying their final respects.
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I agree.
Having just read the Poor Defender post, I promise to run the next Wrangler I see off the road. A fitting wake (if you get the pun).
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1. silicon in the engine is a requirement for the Clunkers program, as it must be disabled that way. No dealership is going to mess with that step as not doing so could slow down the reimbursement from the government on all submissions from that dealership. Just got to except it as a death in the family.

2. Sounds like whoever turned it in knew what to do and stripped it out first. As the truck can be and is expected to be sold for parts they shoud sell what ever is left as parts. If the guy got $4500 - what is the official MPG for the 1994 defender? or $3500 AND stripped it first - that's one for the little guy!

One question - I assume the VIN must be retired under the clunkers program? If the idea is to get the truck off the road (god, what an oxymoron statement) parting out the thing is the only option.
You seize the motor only after you get paid from the gov't, in case the deal unwinds.
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Dammit. I was hoping there'd be pics here by now!
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You seize the motor only after you get paid from the gov't, in case the deal unwinds.
other way around, you have to kill the engine so they send you the money
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 08:20 AM
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Talked to the guy about getting some parts off it, that's a no-go. They'd lose their clunkers $$.

The VIN shows up on LR FAQ, wonder why it's invalid?

Actually Jonathan, what he told you about parts is absolute BS, this Friday, at Manheim Auto Auction ( Dealers' only auction ) there are over 500 units from CFC. It is such a crap what the program did.

These units come straight from the dealer with the XXX ( whatever is poured into the gas tank + engine )
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 10:25 AM
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Actually Jonathan, what he told you about parts is absolute BS, this Friday, at Manheim Auto Auction ( Dealers' only auction ) there are over 500 units from CFC. It is such a crap what the program did.

These units come straight from the dealer with the XXX ( whatever is poured into the gas tank + engine )
The 500 units noted above are those parts or vehicles? If its vehicles, then how can Dealer's auction the vehicles from CFC trade ins program? Dealer's don't have the original title of the vehicle (only photocopy). "The VIN will be entered into the database as "retired" then Dealer's get paid from the Gov't.

However, "salvage operators would be free to resell other vehicle parts, however, which could be used to repair other vehicles or recycled as scrap and used to manufacture other products".
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 10:34 AM
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A lot of fake CFC sales more then likely. I bet there are still CFC sales going on if you look hard enough 'wink'
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Manheim Auto Auction doesn't conduct FAKE AUCTIONS.

They will sell this car WITH title on their Salvage side under the ANNOUNCEMENT, of CFC vehicle ' Engine and Gas Tank Disable "

I will attend this Friday to see what is about , but I was there Yesterday and the Auction's GM suggested to stop by as there are going to be some " INTERESTING " vehicles
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