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Old May 4th, 2016, 06:37 AM
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Defender 110 TDCI 2012 Vs. Defender 110 3.5 V8 1997 Report post

Hello there,

I'm in a bit of a dilemma and would like to hear your views on this.

I currently own a 2012 Defender 110 and I just came across a 1997 Defender 110 V8 for a pretty reasonable price.

My bought by current defender under a bank loan and I am thinking of selling it (I will make a bit of money since the value of defenders increased drastically after the Censored decided to discontinue the best car invented by mankind Evil or Very Mad

Anyhow, what do you guys think, is it worth it selling mine with a little bit of profit, closing my car loan and buying a much older one?

Can you give me the pros and cons of 15 year older defender, V8 Petrol Vs. 2.2TDCi, maintenance and parts etc... keep in mind I drive this car only for overlanding on weekends and to work on my instagram page @ProjectOverLandy (Have a look Thumbs Up ) you will love it.

Waiting for your expert opinions.
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Old May 4th, 2016, 07:11 AM
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There is nothing wrong with owning 2.
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Not sure why this is even a discussion. Why sell a 2012 for a 15 year old truck that will likely have all kinds of corrosion issues?
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There is nothing wrong with owning 2.
Can't really afford 2 at the moment .... The whole reasoning behind the swap is to close my car loan.

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Not sure why this is even a discussion. Why sell a 2012 for a 15 year old truck that will likely have all kinds of corrosion issues?
Well my reasoning behind it is as follow:

- I will make some profit out of selling mine.
- I will decrease my liabilities by closing the car loan.
- I only use the Landy for overland expeditions on weekends so it is not my daily driver.
- With the old one, I wouldn't worry about keeping it in tiptop shape, it will be strictly my overland vehicle.


I could only be coming up with excuses cause I like the retro look on the older one and the V8 engine.

My question is what's the difference in performance both on and off-road between 2.2 turbo diesel and 3.5 V8 petrol.

Plus if you could let me know any knows issues with this specific model.

Thanks
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Old May 4th, 2016, 07:38 AM
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Can't really afford 2 at the moment .... The whole reasoning behind the swap is to close my car loan. ------ Follow up post added May 4th, 2016 03:26 PM ------ Well my reasoning behind it is as follow: - I will make some profit out of selling mine. - I will decrease my liabilities by closing the car loan. - I only use the Landy for overland expeditions on weekends so it is not my daily driver. - With the old one, I wouldn't worry about keeping it in tiptop shape, it will be strictly my overland vehicle. I could only be coming up with excuses cause I like the retro look on the older one and the V8 engine. My question is what's the difference in performance both on and off-road between 2.2 turbo diesel and 3.5 V8 petrol. Plus if you could let me know any knows issues with this specific model. Thanks
Pretty well documented. 10mpg vs 20. Similar powerbands. Saving money seems arbitrary; if you can afford to own the 2.2 tdci then you can likely keep up with the repair cost of owning a 3.5 v8; though I'm sure it would cut into your 'overland' time.

Your 2012 will remain desirable while the v8 will crumble until it's worthless. Especially since you aren't putting a lot of miles on it. If I could buy a 2012 defender and finance it I wouldn't be screwing around my 85 so maybe I'm a bit annoyed at this thread.

I presume the v8 will need considerable maintenance to keep running as all components may have lived through their useful life. I'd rather pay $400/month for peace of mind then have to worry about my next breakdown.

But that's just me
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Why does a '97 have a 3.5L V8?


I can appreciate not having a car payment, so for me it would be a no brainer. I would definitely go for the older truck. I doubt corrosion is an issue in UAE.
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First, the thought of a profit off the '12 is only true IF you don't go back to one. Say you buy the '97, regret it woefully, and try to buy a newer one.

Next, even on Defenders, that 15 years of technology is huge! The Tdci will have considerably less electrical gremlins as it is can-bus and the connectors/grounds/everything is greatly improved.

Lastly, your '12 actually has a/c that functions- most of us would stop right there. Not to mention a 6th gear that can actually be pulled by the engine! Real OD and decent highway manners!! Imagine...
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Why does a '97 have a 3.5L V8? I can appreciate not having a car payment, so for me it would be a no brainer. I would definitely go for the older truck. I doubt corrosion is an issue in UAE.
maybe fuel savings aren't a thing in UAE but I bet the cooler running diesel and AC make the tdci much more livable in the desert.

Also even if diesel is the same price as gasoline I bet the savings offset cost of ownership to come extent
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Pretty well documented. 10mpg vs 20. Similar powerbands. Saving money seems arbitrary; if you can afford to own the 2.2 tdci then you can likely keep up with the repair cost of owning a 3.5 v8; though I'm sure it would cut into your 'overland' time.

Your 2012 will remain desirable while the v8 will crumble until it's worthless. Especially since you aren't putting a lot of miles on it. If I could buy a 2012 defender and finance it I wouldn't be screwing around my 85 so maybe I'm a bit annoyed at this thread.

I presume the v8 will need considerable maintenance to keep running as all components may have lived through their useful life. I'd rather pay $400/month for peace of mind then have to worry about my next breakdown.

But that's just me
Thanks for the comprehensive response and apologies for annoying you with this thread

All your points are valid and now I'm somewhat leaning towards keeping mine, but the older one looks retro ... I wish I can buy all the Defenders in the world
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Why not get an early 2000s TD5?
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Why does a '97 have a 3.5L V8?


I can appreciate not having a car payment, so for me it would be a no brainer. I would definitely go for the older truck. I doubt corrosion is an issue in UAE.
Thats's exactly where the idea came from, getting rid of the annoying $550 per month.

To correct you though, UAE get insanely humid in summer so rust proofing is a must for all cars ... that said, corrosion would definitely be an issue.

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Why not get an early 2000s TD5?
There aren't any available and prices for the older models are ridiculous, the 1997 I have my eyes on is going for around $16,500 ... and keep in mind that there are no taxes on cars in the UAE.
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$16,500 = 30 months of $550 payments less any profit you make.

How long do you plan to keep the 1997 if you buy it?
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$16,500 = 30 months of $550 payments less any profit you make.

How long do you plan to keep the 1997 if you buy it?
Around $16,500

------ Follow up post added May 4th, 2016 04:38 PM ------

Around $16,500 and planning to keep it for as long as I can.

I am planning on moving to the states eventually and there is a law there where you cannot ship a defender unless it's 25 years old, so if I decide to keep my 2012, I would never be able to ship with me to the UA while the 1997 one can be shipped a couple of year after I decide to move.
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Just put a county stripe on yours? I think you can still buy them
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I am planning on moving to the states eventually and there is a law there where you cannot ship a defender unless it's 25 years old, so if I decide to keep my 2012, I would never be able to ship with me to the UA while the 1997 one can be shipped a couple of year after I decide to move.
I don't see how you can import a 97 with a 3.5 V8. Is that motor original on that truck?
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I don't see how you can import a 97 with a 3.5 V8. Is that motor original on that truck?
I believe the middle east got V8's longer than the rest of world, for obvious reasons. Plus I think the V8 was a rare option in the 90's I believe. Could be 100% wrong though.
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I read it somewhere online, yes I believe the engine is the original one.

According to the seller it has very low mileage as it has been parked most of her life and recently refurbished by one of the Land Rover specialized garages here in the UAE
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maybe fuel savings aren't a thing in UAE but I bet the cooler running diesel and AC make the tdci much more livable in the desert.

Also even if diesel is the same price as gasoline I bet the savings offset cost of ownership to come extent
Looks like the 97 has A/C in it.

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I read it somewhere online, yes I believe the engine is the original one.

According to the seller it has very low mileage as it has been parked most of her life and recently refurbished by one of the Land Rover specialized garages here in the UAE
Whats the VIN number, that will tell the story?
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