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Old November 17th, 2006, 06:28 PM
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D90 on Ebay Beware

All,
This truck is local.
I drove it and had it thoroughly inspected.
Send me a PM before bidding and I can provide the details.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ST-Ex...QQcmdZViewItem

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Old November 17th, 2006, 07:36 PM
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ok, i'll ask. So, what's wrong with it?

Obviously with a post "d90 on ebay beware" something up. Do tell!
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Old November 17th, 2006, 08:29 PM
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Old November 17th, 2006, 08:38 PM
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I was gonna say, it looks better than my 94, all clean and shiny. God forbid someone passed away in this 90 or something.
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Old November 17th, 2006, 11:56 PM
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The doors are pretty bad though.
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Old November 18th, 2006, 02:23 AM
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The doors are pretty bad though.
Thats pretty normal for many Defenders. Other than that unless there is some major mechanical problems it looks OK.
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Old November 18th, 2006, 05:39 PM
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The photographs are very nice but they do not quite capture the mechanical issues.
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Old November 18th, 2006, 06:33 PM
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The photographs are very nice but they do not quite capture the mechanical issues.
Mark
Pretty usual for a 12+ year old vehicle. Unless you want to explain what the issues are and how it's being mis-represented? If that's the case.
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Old November 18th, 2006, 06:33 PM
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The photographs are very nice but they do not quite capture the mechanical issues.
Mark
So what is wrong with it mechanically? All I know is that it was originally delivered on Dec 23, 1994 at Land Rover San Jose.
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Old November 19th, 2006, 12:15 AM
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Let me see if I can nip this one in the bud. First lets see what Mark's interest is in starting this thread?? Let me see if I can shed some light on that. Mark came out and drove the truck, he noticed some small issues, but nothing really out of the ordinary (things like normal power steering leak and clock not working). He wanted to have the truck inspected by his independent mechanic, which we, obviously with nothing to hide, said go ahead. After dropping the truck off the night before, we were promised that the truck would be done by 10:00 AM the next day. The next day, we got a call from them saying that they had broken a spark plug off and run into some technical difficulties on their own part in the process of the inspection and it would be a few more hours. It wasn't really a big deal to us since they were paying for the stuff they broke. Well we finally are about to pick up the car and the guy is an absolute ass who did the inspection. First is totally unprofessional when he walks over says, "Damn, those fucking piece of shit Land Rovers." Now, I don't car if people cuss and I am not really offended by much of anything, but this guy had no idea, for all he knows, I am a Bible thumping preacherís son. He goes on to say how there is no such thing as a good Rover, apparently they are all lemons. I said to him, "Well I can understand how you can see things that way since you only see the Rovers that are broken. The good cars are the ones that never come in." This concept was apparently well over his head. As he kept spouting off about how he told Mark how big of piece of shit that Land Rover was and how when Mark told him the price, he said he was thinking it was worth more like $4500. Anyway, during the time this guy had our truck, he came to the conclusion that 2 cylinders had like 30% leak down. When I asked him, which ones he wouldn't tell me. I haven't had time to confirm or deny this claim on my own, but based on the person who did it, his shop, his attitude, and his process I didn't put to much confidence in his findings. Mysteriously, after the seeming grim, to Mark at least, results, he was still very interested in the trucks. He kept calling, and trying to beat us down on price. We finally gave him out bottom dollar he said he would take it if he could drive it around for a few days first. We had to say no, unless one of us wanted to ride around with him all day, since our insurance doesnít cover anyone on a test drive if an agent of the dealership isnít in the car. So fine with us, we thought we were done dealing with this guy and we listed it on eBay. So Marks starts sending us emails about how we are supposed to be selling the truck to him?? When he said no and we said no to his counteroffer the deal was dead to us. Now I have been in the Land Rover Community for a many years, and owned many trucks, including the one I drove from Cincinnati, to Dusy, to Rubicon, to Moab and back. I know a good truck and I am not trying to scam anyone. I will still be checking this board in others in years to come, I consider myself a permanent member of this community, where do you think Mark will be, still Roverless??
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Old November 19th, 2006, 06:34 AM
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That is alot of explaining. Matt and his partner recommended the shop. I went to the shop personally to discuss the results. After agreeing on a price they backed out and refused to take my phone calls or emails. I was never informed directly that the deal was off the table. An email asking for an explanation was never returned. Amateur stuff. I think they had some new inventory coming in and panicked that they could not pay for it.
Anyway, I got a copy of the inspection if anyone is interested -including Matt.
Roverless Mark
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Old November 19th, 2006, 09:32 AM
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Ah an internet pissing match.
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Old November 19th, 2006, 11:12 AM
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I love those!
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Old November 19th, 2006, 06:23 PM
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So what is the bottomless dollar? Can I help keep Mark Roverless?

JP

Dude if you are still trying to buy it after an unhappy inspection then maybe they are having trouble taking you seriously. Should have bought it or moved on by now IMO.
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Old November 19th, 2006, 06:28 PM
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I've know Matt for nearly five years (and recently renewed this relationship) and have done some minor horse trading with him on parts.

I will attest to his being a straight shooter who can be trusted.

If I were in a position to buy a Defender, I would not be afraid to buy one from Matt.

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Old November 19th, 2006, 07:37 PM
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Mark,

There are few Defender owners in Ohio as it is. Do us a favor and start looking for a Toyota FJ. This is not the attitude we want on the trail. Think about this, Defenders owners are a tight society and a small community and we help each other out. If you start a pissing contest, how many of us are going to be willing to winch your ass out of a ditch the first time you get in trouble. If you buy a Defender, you will at some point need help, god knows I have, let the issue go and find another truck or move on.

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Old November 19th, 2006, 07:54 PM
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Gotta agree with Matt...

I've never seen so many detailed pictures of a truck on ebay. If he wanted to take advantage of anyone, he would have had a single picture from a low res camera phone. Sounds to me that you were trying to find problems with the truck, to work the price down. That I can, understand, but...

Attempting to torpedo his sale...sad.
Getting called out...priceless
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Old November 19th, 2006, 07:54 PM
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Paul and Matt W. have hit the nail on the head. The guys selling this truck are my close personal friends and long time wheeling partners. They have owned Rovers for years and know them inside and out. You'd be hard pressed to find better guys to buy a Defender from, be on the trail with it or in the garage helping track down another Rover gremlin with your truck.
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Old November 20th, 2006, 08:08 AM
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Matt has been around for a while.

I mean a 12 year old rover with issues . . . heaven forbid . . .
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Old November 20th, 2006, 01:30 PM
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Thanks to everyone for the reassuring posts. I am not trying to screw anyone and the last thing I want is for someone to be surprised or dissappointed when they buy a car from us. I do my best to show every inch of the car, good and bad spots. It would be very easy for us to photograph around certain things and exclude parts of the car that would obviously be adventagious to us, but we don't. I feel like I have gained a relatively decent reputation in the Land Rover community over the years. I know that if I take out accross the country there are people that I could call along the way if I have problems and there are people out there that know if they have problems in the midwest I would be the first one on the side of the highway with parts and tools to get them going again. There is no single car I would sell that would be worth it to me to risk my reputation and relationship with the Land Rover community.

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think they had some new inventory coming in and panicked that they could not pay for it.
I am not going to make this convsersation so petty as to squabble about money, but don't you think that if I was pressed for cash I would have jumped on any low ball offer I had from you or anyone else??

Thanks Again,
Matt
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