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Old October 22nd, 2015, 09:09 PM
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D90 NAS Values?????

Hello, I have admired the 94-97 D90's since they came out. I'm finally in a financial position to purchase one and am totally confused on the values and asking prices. I was hoping to acquire a 94, 95 ST in good condition for $35 to $45k. I am located in Florida and there's one available a few hours from here. 94 White ST with a 101k miles. Seller is asking $45k. He states that he's owned it since 08 and hasn't done much mechanically since then. The other issues are that a portion of the interior is Rhino lined as are the front and rear bumpers, doesn't have AC, has a snorkel and a 2 inch lift. I haven't seen it in person yet but looks to be in good condition in the many detailed pictures he has sent me. I'm thinking given the mods, lack of maintenance, no AC and Rhino lining that this unit is worth $35k tops. I don't really want to drive a few hours to find out that his expectation of price is not at all realistic and that it may be in poor condition.

What are the communities thoughts on this? Are my expectations out of line or can I realistically find what I'm looking for?

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Old October 22nd, 2015, 09:11 PM
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 09:12 PM
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Post the pics or link. Hard to give an opinion without those. I like to buy as unmodified cars as possible. And personally, rhino lining is a no-go for me, but that is a personal preference.

With your budget you can get what you want. Be patient.
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Don't buy it. Let it sit. You don't want to be the one setting a price precedent.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 09:31 PM
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Post the pics or link. Hard to give an opinion without those. I like to buy as unmodified cars as possible. And personally, rhino lining is a no-go for me, but that is a personal preference.

With your budget you can get what you want. Be patient.
This is the link to the Autotrader ad. Not the best pictures. I will post more when I get to the office tomorrow.

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Old October 22nd, 2015, 09:49 PM
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As mentioned, be patient. The right one will come along. Consider expanding your search area and buying from a member of this board.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 09:57 PM
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More pics

None of those are the pertinent pics. No substitute for an in person inspection. I like buying local. 2 of the 90's I bought were local, my current was in Denver and I drove out, inspected and bought. He happened to be a forum member and it was as advertised. Good luck, the search is 50% of the fun.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 10:01 PM
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NAS prices

Simple. Supply and demand. Low mileage and or high mileage rust free examples that have not been modded over and over again are getting hard to find. Look what you can buy new for 40K and compare to a NAS 90. I went through this recently with my recently sold 993. As the prices increase the enthusiast get squeezed out and the investors come out. Difference here is that it is a terrible experience owning a 90 unless you are willing to wrench on it yourself. If you can get a clean NAS 90 in the 30s jump on it. I would ignore mileage. Condition is king.
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Simple. Supply and demand. As the prices increase the enthusiast get squeezed out and the investors come out. Difference here is that it is a terrible experience owning a 90 unless you are willing to wrench on it yourself. If you can get a clean NAS 90 in the 30s jump on it. I would ignore mileage. Condition is king.
X2. With my current one the seller happened to mention it might be for sale here. I reached out via PM and made the connection. I was honest about my intentions (not looking to flip but to replace the one I shouldn't have sold) and we made the deal. He is a great guy and we are friends today.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 10:17 PM
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Simple. Supply and demand. Low mileage and or high mileage rust free examples that have not been modded over and over again are getting hard to find. Look what you can buy new for 40K and compare to a NAS 90. I went through this recently with my recently sold 993. As the prices increase the enthusiast get squeezed out and the investors come out. Difference here is that it is a terrible experience owning a 90 unless you are willing to wrench on it yourself. If you can get a clean NAS 90 in the 30s jump on it. I would ignore mileage. Condition is king.
What is your opinion of the Rhino liner over the bumpers and interior? and the snorkel?
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 10:22 PM
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What is your opinion of the Rhino liner over the bumpers and interior? and the snorkel?
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 08:14 AM
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I would say that price seems high to me, for the mileage and condition (what you can see of it from the few photos in the ad)..

Ironically, just out of curiosity, I did a search on Auto Trader the other day for Defenders. I was shocked at what I saw...

'97 SW w/ 150,000 miles for $49,900
'97 LE w/180,000 miles -- $59,900
'95 SW w/159,000 Miles -- $65,500
'97 LE w/94,000 miles -- $79,900

Are people really getting prices anywhere near these? Some of these weren't even dealers..

There were a few reasonable ones I guess..

'97 SW w/90,000 miles -- $37,900

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Old October 23rd, 2015, 08:40 AM
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I scratch my head at some of the prices. I think they are inflated by people looking to make money on the popularity. Even in alot of the photos some of these do not look to be in line with what you should pay. Is there years of mechanical history to go along with that price?
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 09:35 PM
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I would say that price seems high to me, for the mileage and condition (what you can see of it from the few photos in the ad)..

Ironically, just out of curiosity, I did a search on Auto Trader the other day for Defenders. I was shocked at what I saw...

'97 SW w/ 150,000 miles for $49,900
'97 LE w/180,000 miles -- $59,900
'95 SW w/159,000 Miles -- $65,500
'97 LE w/94,000 miles -- $79,900

Are people really getting prices anywhere near these? Some of these weren't even dealers..

There were a few reasonable ones I guess..

'97 SW w/90,000 miles -- $37,900

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Scott,
While your research is helpful the real answer to the question of value and actual SELLING prices is to go to Ebay, do the usual search for 95-97 Deefnders and then on the left side of the page, click on COMPLETED listings.
This will bring up the finished auctions and allow you to view whether these trucks are actually selling for the high prices we see. I think it's a case of high asking prices not being realized most of the time.
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Scott,
While your research is helpful the real answer to the question of value and actual SELLING prices is to go to Ebay, do the usual search for 95-97 Deefnders and then on the left side of the page, click on COMPLETED listings.
This will bring up the finished auctions and allow you to view whether these trucks are actually selling for the high prices we see. I think it's a case of high asking prices not being realized most of the time.
I've bought at least 10 used cars off eBay. I never bid on a single one of them. I call the seller and work out a deal. That's how most car deals on eBay are done. Ebay is just an advertising medium.
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Old October 25th, 2015, 04:06 PM
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Looking at the sold listings in Ebay it appears that the higher priced D90's do not sell. I couldn't find a sale over $55k
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Old October 25th, 2015, 06:31 PM
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Looking at the sold listings in Ebay it appears that the higher priced D90's do not sell. I couldn't find a sale over $55k
That's because anyone paying $55k is not doing it through eBay ... Ask how many trucks Copley sell via eBay ...

As many people point out eBay is largely an advertising medium rather than an execution venue.
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Old October 25th, 2015, 08:19 PM
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I don't know where you guys are getting this notion that Ebay is only an advertising venue, and won't show sales history.
I've sold dozens of cars on Ebay.
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I don't know where you guys are getting this notion that Ebay is only an advertising venue, and won't show sales history. I've sold dozens of cars on Ebay.
Congratulations. How many defenders over $55k?
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Old October 26th, 2015, 09:51 AM
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Hey Jason,
The original poster asked about values. You want to research values, one accurate way is to follow sold prices, NOT asking prices. One way to check sold prices is to consider "completed" Ebay listings. Pretty god damn simple if you ask me. Look how often these high asking price trucks show up time and time again, they aren't actually selling.
It is a valid point of research to help answer his question. If a truck is sold "off" Ebay there is no way to determine the selling price, since it isn't shown. Simple..
Whether I've sold $55k D90's is irrelevant, I'm trying to help the poster with his question asshole.
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