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Old October 21st, 2014, 08:38 AM
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D2 or LR3

So I want to pick up another rover. The D2 is familiar (some parts and tools are interchangeable with my defender), but the engine and the swiss cheesing of the chassis especially at the rear sucks.

And the LR3,yes it's newer, but I heard it's a bear just to change brakes. Reliability?

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Old October 21st, 2014, 09:11 AM
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How about a decent D2 body and put a galvy chassis under it?
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Old October 21st, 2014, 09:14 AM
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Randy,

I've owned a DII for a long time and I love it.

I don't own a DIII but they are night and day compared to a DII in every aspect. They are pretty impressive off-road. Justin at Lucky 8 makes it look easy.

What are your plans with it?
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Old October 21st, 2014, 09:24 AM
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I've got my 90 whenever I want to go off the beaten path (it's nothing extreme like some of the guys on here do). Just looking for a good cruiser on the highway, and when the weather turns nasty I know I'll be in good hands.

Had my D2 since new, very familiar with repairs (too familiar, don't go there), but the engine issues and the chassis (especially the rear) are just horrible builds. I figured the D3 would be night and day, but can repairs still be done at home?
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Old October 21st, 2014, 09:35 AM
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I see. We have the same dilemma.

What year DII you have? Knock on wood, I've never had mayor issues with my DII. Just normal wear and tear.

See these:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=56018

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=49650
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Old October 21st, 2014, 09:40 AM
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Thanks Pedro, I'll check that out.

Yes probably same dilemma. We sold our D2 not too long ago and both my wife and daughter were emotional (I was surprised, I thought I was the only one that cared for the ol' trusty gal). Needless to say, I think there's an opening for another more "refined" rover in the house...

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How about a decent D2 body and put a galvy chassis under it?
I know it's possible, but I've never seen one. This would be cool to find one with galvy.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 10:00 AM
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I have an LR3 with 125k.
Stuff I've needed over the last 95k: both front hub bearings, brakes lasting about 35k, tires about 50k; lower control arms, tensioner pulley, MAFS, thermostat, front diff at 30k.

Great highway miles eater, tows well, comfortable and my wife will drive it if she has too.

I have a RRCounty and a Series 3 88" to support my other needs. As of today, the 88 is the only mobile ride-waiting for an opportunity to replace the hub bearing on the LR3 and diag the rear diff on the RRC.

Customer's LR3's have proven to be consistently reliable, with one currently at 175k. Her's hasn't been trouble free- rusted out reservoir for the RLC and a multi-time habit of spilling things on the console- those switches are not the best places for coffee or soda to flow into them!- diffs, control arms, but no engine/trans/tcase issues.

When I travel, I sometimes take my Autologic along with the LR3, just in case.....
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Old October 21st, 2014, 10:05 AM
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What is your main purpose of the vehicle? I love my D2, but if it were for light off-road and mostly on road, I'd probably be in a LR3
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Old October 21st, 2014, 11:00 AM
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I picked up a 06' LR3 with 37k on the ODO this spring. Changed 100% of the fluids that first week to form a baseline. Glad I did as the diff fluid looked like it was overdue at less than 50% of LR's recommended interval. I believe the LR3 was the first application with splash lubrication, only 0.61 liters of LR's liquid gold. Lots of info available on the known issues (or just PM Lav): diffs and their sealed breathers, sunroof and cabin air intake leaks, front control arms, etc., but all are easy to correct and/or identify if the problem exists or about to.
Great car. Happy with the purchase. Looking for a second one now.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 11:08 AM
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Given the parameters above, LR3 hands down, preferably '07/'08- you won't be disappointed...
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Old October 21st, 2014, 11:49 AM
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Have had out 05 D3 for nearly a year now, was a 1 owner fully dealer serviced has 97k on it now, other than fluids, and a just died battery (2 years old) we love it.

It eats miles well, tows great and when we go to the mountains and with what roads there are no worries. The down hill accent is great.

Have not any info on tyre wear yet as it came with new ones and the front suspension had been totally gone over before we bought it. But you know what is going to happen now!

Never had a D2, (but have done two engine changes on them) had/have had three D1's like night and day. I have taken the 3 into places I didn't want to but, came out with a couple of clearcoat scratches.

But we need to thin the herd down, last count 3 LR's & 2 Jags, but one day a 101 will come.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 01:24 PM
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I have both and have offroaded with both, and they are very capable. I prefer the D2 for offroading and working on. It's easier to work on, parts are cheaper and overall I just don't trust the LR3 not to have a suspension fault or electronic issue while in the middle of somewhere. Plus D2s are much cheaper so I don't feel as bad beating it up.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 02:05 PM
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Thanks guys for all the info, I see where this is going (lots of votes for the D3). And yes, even though I have a lot of the stuff to work on a D2, it just seems like the three is just much more solid and problems are well already documented.

Ok, my hunt begins...

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Thanks for this. Extremely helpful.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 04:30 PM
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One very major consideration with the D3 - 300 HP!!! These damn things will actually accelerate when you stand on it instead of gradually gaining momentum like a D2.

Plus it gets 20 -21 mpg on the highway - something none of my RRC's or Discoveries could ever do.

Very comfortable (heated front & rear seats) reasonably reliable and actually not too bad to work on (the few things I've had to do so far). My 2007 has around 108,000 miles on it and I'm liking it pretty well.

Its a good daily driver and road car except for the 13.5 mpg around town and I've got a D-90 and two Series trucks to play in the woods. The D3 is a very good tow vehicle for my travel trailer which will become much more important after I retire. Try it you'll probably like it.

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Old October 21st, 2014, 06:57 PM
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just throwing it out there P38 with a Gen IV GM in it. Nick is toying with the P38 conversions.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 07:28 PM
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just throwing it out there P38 with a Gen IV GM in it. Nick is toying with the P38 conversions.
A P38 is the worst Land Rover ever made in my opinion, and the engine is the least of its worries.

Randy, get an LR3, you won't be disappointed.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 07:35 PM
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Old October 21st, 2014, 07:52 PM
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I disagree. They only have four problems. A Freelander will just need an engine, transmission, sunroof assembly, and both rear window regulators every 60k. P38's have way more problems than Freelanders. I would feel a lot more confident driving a Freelander 20 miles than a P38. '03-'05 Range Rovers are almost as bad.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 08:22 PM
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We've had a D2, and currently have an LR3 for my wife's daily driver. I told myself I'd never buy an LR3, but we got a smoking deal and have been happier with it than any other rover (short of our Defender...sniff) we've owned. We compared it to a new Volvo station wagon, Outback wagon, and Audi wagon. In the city, the mileage difference is negligible. Highway is a different story, but the ride is awful nice and so is the extra space compared to a D2 or wagon.

Now, it's not for going in the woods and what not (for us), but for a ride that'll run circles around most anything else in its class, and hold my wife and me, our 2 kids in carseats, their crap or their friends in carseats, comfortably and get us there in crappy weather - I can't say enough good things. The only weird thing for us has been the windshield seal (I know I know, but it ain't the sunroof dang it!).
It was an ex-LR Loaner. Jimmy would recognize it.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 08:33 PM
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Love my LR3....
Just an all around well-suited truck.
FYI..234k-miles on it and still counting.
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