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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:09 PM
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Friggin nuts.... people are sick
This.

I decided I don't generally like being amongst lots of people after living in the DC/Baltimore metropolitan area for 30 years. To that end I moved to the middle of no where. The nearest country store/ business of any kind is 10 miles away. While not an option for most I'm quite pleased with this life change on days like today.

I can't begin to imagine the pain these family's are experiencing, to have your hopes and dreams destroyed like that.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:10 PM
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Very sad and extremely tragic. I still firmly believe this tragedy could have been prevented if there were armed teachers.
As a high school teacher (and also gun owner), the answer to that is a firm no. Terrible idea.
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I understand that you believe something and I respect your beliefs ... I'm asking you so consider a counterpoint that the elimination of freely available guns ( however distasteful to you personally ) is a potential solution rather than the continuous escalation of arming everyone as a deterrent.
I agree. Guns are too easy to get.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:14 PM
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As a high school teacher (and also gun owner), the answer to that is a firm no. Terrible idea.
Why do you feel that way ?
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:15 PM
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This.

I decided I don't generally like being amongst lots of people after living in the DC/Baltimore metropolitan area for 30 years. To that end I moved to the middle of no where. The nearest country store/ business of any kind is 10 miles away. While not an option for most I'm quite pleased with this life change on days like today.

Still don't see how this makes you immune to being murdered/shot. A few decades ago some inmate escaped from the mens correctional facility in Chino (its the boonies for LA county) and he wound up killing a family by breaking into their home in the middle of the nite.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:16 PM
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Very sad and extremely tragic. I still firmly believe this tragedy could have been prevented if there were armed teachers.
That is just asinine. Armed fucking teachers?

The world is officially insane now.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:16 PM
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As a high school teacher (and also gun owner), the answer to that is a firm no. Terrible idea.

Well I'm sure you don't like having to register your D90 as well but the government says its best for society that you do.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:17 PM
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By arming teachers who's to say that that a teacher won't lose it and open up on the students?
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:18 PM
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That is just asinine. Armed fucking teachers?

The world is officially insane now.

I agree the world is officially insane. Because in a sane world you wouldn't have assholes killing 27+ elementary school kids. That is the world we live in. It would be even more insane to not do something with common sense to try to prevent this from happening again.

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By arming teachers who's to say that that a teacher won't lose it and open up on the students?

The reason that teacher won't do that is the same reason why you step on the brakes everytime you see women and children in front of you in the cross walk.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:21 PM
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Folks: lets not turn this into a gun debate. Lets focus on the Children, Parents and Staff of the School.

They really need to know that we are here to help them.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:26 PM
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Folks: lets not turn this into a gun debate. Lets focus on the Children, Parents and Staff of the School.

They really need to know that we are here to help them.
Agreed, also since the details aren't available for all we know these guns were purchased legally by an individual without any prior criminal record.

For all we know the guns were all illegally purchased, this may be a by product of loose gun laws but without the facts there is no point in discussing them. Without the motive we really have no platform for debate
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Folks: lets not turn this into a gun debate. Lets focus on the Children, Parents and Staff of the School.

They really need to know that we are here to help them.
I agree but this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
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Well I'm sure you don't like having to register your D90 as well but the government says its best for society that you do.
I dont have a D90 yet because I am a teacher

Registering a car and going into a heavily populated building with a gun are two completely different things. I dont mind registering my weapons with the 'government' or registering my cars either. As for armed teachers, no way. There is too much room for tragic error. You come out of your room with a weapon, the odds of collateral damage increase. I can tell you that since Columbine, schools drill lock downs into EVERYONES heads. I can tell you that in most areas, police will move into the building (with as few as three cops) within minutes of the situation. Having an armed teacher makes the polices jobs harder because now there are two unknown variables. Theres the guy with the gun and then there is the possibility of a stressed, threatened, jumpy and unpredictable teacher. Lock down drills are designed to keep your kids safe from guns. A high school is not a shooting range where every variable is controlled. Guns in a setting like a school is a terrible idea.

Teachers arent trained cops. Thats the bottom line.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:40 PM
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By arming teachers who's to say that that a teacher won't lose it and open up on the students?
The reason that teacher won't do that is the same reason why you step on the brakes everytime you see women and children in front of you in the cross walk.


Sometimes I think you just say things that make absolutely no sense, so that no one can respond to what you're saying.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:41 PM
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I dont have a D90 yet because I am a teacher

Registering a car and going into a heavily populated building with a gun are two completely different things. I dont mind registering my weapons with the 'government' or registering my cars either. As for armed teachers, no way. There is too much room for tragic error. You come out of your room with a weapon, the odds of collateral damage increase. I can tell you that since Columbine, schools drill lock downs into EVERYONES heads. I can tell you that in most areas, police will move into the building (with as few as three cops) within minutes of the situation. Having an armed teacher makes the polices jobs harder because now there are two unknown variables. Theres the guy with the gun and then there is the possibility of a stressed, threatened, jumpy and unpredictable teacher. Lock down drills are designed to keep your kids safe from guns. A high school is not a shooting range where every variable is controlled. Guns in a setting like a school is a terrible idea.

Teachers arent trained cops. Thats the bottom line.

Right because police officers, unlike teachers, are super human robots that never make mistakes and thus eliminates their risk of collateral damage. So according to you (a school shooting expert now because of your experience in the field of education) a few minutes is all thats needed for law enforcement to arrive to prevent any further loss of life after the initial shooting. Man your so right!! I like the way you think.. <sheep noises> btw, theres a D90 for sale here for like $15k. Anyone can finance that.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:45 PM
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I dont have a D90 yet because I am a teacher

Registering a car and going into a heavily populated building with a gun are two completely different things. I dont mind registering my weapons with the 'government' or registering my cars either. As for armed teachers, no way. There is too much room for tragic error. You come out of your room with a weapon, the odds of collateral damage increase. I can tell you that since Columbine, schools drill lock downs into EVERYONES heads. I can tell you that in most areas, police will move into the building (with as few as three cops) within minutes of the situation. Having an armed teacher makes the polices jobs harder because now there are two unknown variables. Theres the guy with the gun and then there is the possibility of a stressed, threatened, jumpy and unpredictable teacher. Lock down drills are designed to keep your kids safe from guns. A high school is not a shooting range where every variable is controlled. Guns in a setting like a school is a terrible idea.

Teachers arent trained cops. Thats the bottom line.
As we have seen... A few minutes is too late.

Our armed teachers have to qualify twice a year just like the police.

During the last antifada .... Suicide bombings were a weekly accourance. The majority of the killed terrorists that were stopped before reaching their objective, were stopped by a guard or civilian...not the swat team or an army commando unit.

Those guards go through the exact training as our teachers.
Same facility and same quals.


Bottom line, the only thing can stop a person like this is force.
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Sometimes I think you just say things that make absolutely no sense, so that no one can respond to what you're saying.

Please explain. I was trying to compare the two situations to a simple example. People don't flip out and run people over in cross walks for the same reasons gun owners don't go out and shoot people randomly.
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It's heartbreaking, for every person involved. I can't imagine the pain and suffering.

Save the gun debate for another thread. Children are dead and families will be devastated.
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Neil: You need to move to Michigan. Two days ago they approved Teachers having guns in School.
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