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Old May 26th, 2015, 08:42 AM
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Id agree with Bill. Id rather an unrestored clean titled NAS then a restored salvage.. You can aways restore it later but a salvage title is forever compromised.
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Old May 26th, 2015, 10:11 AM
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This is kinda funny since this board pretty much was originally dedicated to people cutting wheels arches, opening up hood holes, installing three-link units, etc. basically anything but keeping NAS trucks original...
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Old May 26th, 2015, 10:30 AM
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Huh...I always thought there was a healthy mix of both. Most days it's a healthy balance.
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What was the average price of an NAS truck back then? I think its like any classic vehicle... people modified the hell out of them years ago but now when you see the prices unmolested examples bring its not in your best interest to mess with them.. thats what ROW trucks are for.
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Old May 26th, 2015, 11:01 AM
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What was the average price of an NAS truck back then? I think its like any classic vehicles... people modified the hell out of them years ago but now when you see the prices unmolested examples bring its not in your best interest to mess with them.. thats what ROW trucks are for.
This - think of what guys did to muscle cars in the 70's.
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What was the average price of an NAS truck back then? I think its like any classic vehicles... people modified the hell out of them years ago but now when you see the prices unmolested examples bring its not in your best interest to mess with them.. thats what ROW trucks are for.


haha, untill the ROW trucks are getting 'grazy' prices... and then we are back to where this topic started with.
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Old May 26th, 2015, 11:23 AM
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There is obviously a cost/benefit line with regards to clean versus salvage on NAS trucks. Sure anyone can find exceptions, but pulling selling info on an ECR full rebuild and a well maintined, limited number Beluga ST are those exceptions. I don't even know why some are arguing why a salvage is just as valuable as a clean title. At a certain point, of course a well rebuilt, documented, and maintained salvage NAS is going to be worth more than a clean titled Alpine White SW NAS with high miles and issues. Both of those example trucks would have sold for considerably more had they not had a branded title. File this under one of those "no sh!t" folders....
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Old May 26th, 2015, 11:36 AM
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you mean this folder?
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That's an extreme example. An ECR NAS 110 probably has no original parts on it and spent 2 years getting restored.

Take a 2 identical, non restored 1993 NAS trucks. One has a Salvage title and the other clean and see which sells for more. I'll take the clean title.

My preference is a clean ROW truck. Then I can do whatever I want to it. If I had a clean NAS truck I'd want to keep it original. The only caveat to this is a salvage NAS truck. Then you can do whatever you want also like what you posted.
I agree. Between similar condition trucks I think we can all agree the one with a clean title is worth more, but regardless of title status a nice truck is still valuable.

I also agree a clean titled NAS truck should be left alone, or at least not receive too many non-reversible modifications. That is what's appealing about salvage titled NAS trucks, since it's already taken a hit you can do pretty much whatever you want to it, like have ECR turn it into a 110 beach runner or something.

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I could be wrong but I think that was his point. A well documented clean build can still sell for high dollar even if the title says salvage.

And I totally agree on your thinking about the UK/ROW trucks and doing as you want. I also feel like at this point the NAS vehicles should stay original or close to it.
Totally my point.

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I agreed to disagree, many here would rather a "proper" NAS titled no fuss in need of love D90/110 than a primo restored salvage for similar money. Do a poll, I may be wrong...

(or I maybe am confused about your point. I've re-read and can't thumb down what you're saying. I attribute it to weak coffee...)
Don nailed it. No offense Bill I hope.
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This is kinda funny since this board pretty much was originally dedicated to people cutting wheels arches, opening up hood holes, installing three-link units, etc. basically anything but keeping NAS trucks original...
Agreed...back in the day.
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Old May 26th, 2015, 01:06 PM
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This is kinda funny since this board pretty much was originally dedicated to people cutting wheels arches, opening up hood holes, installing three-link units, etc. basically anything but keeping NAS trucks original...
I miss those days. Not that the value of NAS trucks is gonna stop me from hacking mine up.
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Yeah, why not? There's no reason we should all be purists and title snobs, unless we're so shallow that our prime objective is to get rich selling an all-original truck for a million dollars in the year 2050. I say it's your truck so do whatever you want to it, and if someone gets their panties all in a wad, who cares. Besides, these trucks in stock form do have some shortcomings, so if you can improve it, all the better.
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Yeah, why not? There's no reason we should all be purists and title snobs, unless we're so shallow that our prime objective is to get rich selling an all-original truck for a million dollars in the year 2050. I say it's your truck so do whatever you want to it, and if someone gets their panties all in a wad, who cares. Besides, these trucks in stock form do have some shortcomings, so if you can improve it, all the better.
Exactly, by the time I were to sell my NAS truck, find a decent LHD ROW truck, or convert a RHD over, I'm basically right back where I started.

I've often said the NAS trucks were the worst of the Defenders made.
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I've often said the NAS trucks were the worst of the Defenders made.
Interesting comment.

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If you'd like to talk facts, we can. This salvage NAS 90 recently sold for $34,803. This salvage NAS 110 is currently listed at $184,999 with bids currently at $110,100. Clearly people don't seem to mind a little title blemish on an otherwise nice truck.
Just who is the domestic market for the NAS 110 rebuilt as a Puma and for all practical purposes IS a Puma with a SD cage and NAS plaque?
Safe to assume the original VIN melted. I wonder how common it is for LRNA to pump out replacements.
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It only takes a handful. I find I don't really know anyone like that, but this stuff ends up being low-end play money compared to the prices that these people are paying for their toys.
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It only takes a handful. I find I don't really know anyone like that, but this stuff ends up being low-end play money compared to the prices that these people are paying for their toys.
And just how does it get registered without threat of being scooped up by the Feds?
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It never makes sense to me. If you are rich, go over to Europe and by a brand new truck. Bring it over on a one year permit, then send it back to your Chateau.
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And just how does it get registered without threat of being scooped up by the Feds?
It was built from parts. Not necessarily legit from an EPA stand-point, but neither are a vast majority of hot rods built here in the US. There are still many jurisdictions who do not even enforce emissions rules of any kind, not even safety inspections. Some even have rules which run counter to EPA. Washington state allows you to fill out an affidavit at the DMV and change the type of engine on your title for gas to diesel.
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Just who is the domestic market for the NAS 110 rebuilt as a Puma and for all practical purposes IS a Puma with a SD cage and NAS plaque?
Safe to assume the original VIN melted. I wonder how common it is for LRNA to pump out replacements.
I bet if LRNA knew it was rebuilt as a Puma they would revoke it...
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