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Old May 24th, 2015, 12:04 PM
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I agree John is selling some real nice trucks at a great price . I mostly stick to the ex mod stuff. Over the last year prices on those have doubled. 3-4 years ago I was paying 3k for a nice ex mod 110 or 90 now I'm paying 6k for the same condition. UK market has really gone up
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Old May 24th, 2015, 12:24 PM
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Prices tend to be (or should be): 1) rarity dependent, 2) condition dependent.

I.e. NAS, or anything that is low-number production is pure supply & demand...the less there are, the higher the price will be. Condition is (or should also be) also one of the main driving factors - particularly on the 25 year-old+ market. If it's a sh*tbox, don't think you can ask $50K for a $10K truck. BUT...if it's a low-mileage, pristine, well-kept example it's not unusual for prices for a ROW to stretch into the $30-50K region (and sometimes more).

Johan had a couple of ~$50K 5-door 110s that were both extreme low mileage for sale not long ago, and something like these are worth around that price point. However, the plethora of overseas "sellers" that get a crappy 110 that is a basket case and slap a $20K price tag on it...well, expect those to sit as you described above for years and never command even close to the asking price (i.e. the $20K truck that they'd be *lucky* to even get $10K for).
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Old May 24th, 2015, 01:57 PM
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There are three markets.

1. NAS Trucks (clean title)
2. NAS Trucks (salvage title)
3. ROW LHD
4. ROW RHD

Prices decline in that order...and the trucks that sit are usually owners that expect the same price as the category(s) above them.
Fixed it for you. Clealy a difference between 1 and 2. Every week that passes, more trucks move from 1 to 2, because a non-enthusiast owner decides to replace rather than repair.
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Old May 24th, 2015, 02:00 PM
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Fixed it for you. Clealy a difference between 1 and 2.
A salvage title NAS beats out a ROW LHD in same condition? Really? I would have thought that with the rise in ROW availability that that would have clued buyers in to the realisation that ROW is a viable option in the face of limited NAS pickings. Gets more true as each year goes by and ROW legal imports enter the Tdi era of the 90s. But I am certainly no expert. Perhaps my Tdi CSW is worth less than I thought. :shrug
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A salvage title NAS beats out a ROW LHD in same condition? Really?
Im not sure. Debate if you want. I wanted to call out nas salvage seperately, and you are making my point.
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Somehow Johan manages continues to find and sell high quality lhd 110s in this country at a fraction of the price of any other importer I've seen. Personally i judge all other ROW trucks against his imports/prices.

Thanks, Phoenix, I try to do my best. Not all my cars are high quality though, I try to present them like how they are and put an appropriate price on it.

I should be very carefully with what I am going to say, I buy, import and sell some Defenders too.....

I try to be reasonable with my prices and beside some 90's, all my cars are selling fast. However it is getting more and more difficult to keep prices at this level. As said by more people, prices of good Defenders are going up (fast) in Europe. One reason is the end of the production, the other reason is the demand here in USA. It is obvious the most popular Defender is a 110 with 5 doors and LHD. Not only here but also in Europe this is the one everybody wants. These cars in good condition and exportable to USA are very rare, all over Europe. When something shows up, most of the times it is sold the same day. Prices are more often higher then younger TD5 models.

Also, unless what a lot of people might think, there won't become many more available in the near future. Yes, the popular Tdi's are becoming importable soon but where are they ? Remember, Land Rover hardly sold any Defenders anymore in the late 80's and early 90's. The Discovery was the fast selling car and took over that market, especially for the 'people mover' 110 5-door. The Defenders only started selling again in the late 90's. If there would be any nice 1991 or 1992 Tdi's I would buy them now and put them in storage in Europe but there simply is hardly to nothing available with LHD.


I recently acquired an almost new (less then 4000 miles) 1989 110. Had to pay more for this car then what it was listed for back in that year. In a few weeks or months I will put it up for sale, and we will see what the market here is going to say about this car. At the end the market it defining the prices but I don't foresee them going down soon.


I don't care what other people ask for or make on their cars as long as they are honest about it. But as always, in every market, you see people presenting something what isn't true and who are only going for the money. There was a car on ebay last week which I imported a while ago. After some make over it is now offered as a very, very high dollar car by a company (not the one I sold it to) selling all kind of exclusive cars. Things are said in the add which are simply not true, and I can know in this specific case.






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Did not mean to come off harsh and apologize if I did.
Derek, you have never ever been harsh or rude that I am aware of!

Johan:
The LDH 5 door automatic TDI with AC is the queen of the marketplace!
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Thanks Mate. Some times I get a little over passionate.

I really hope we will see prices in the UK come down. Even Series prices are sky high right now in the UK. It's really hurt guys looking for a good enters level classic River.
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Old May 25th, 2015, 12:46 AM
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Fixed it for you. Clealy a difference between 1 and 2. Every week that passes, more trucks move from 1 to 2, because a non-enthusiast owner decides to replace rather than repair.
I think condition would affect value more than a title blemish, especially as time goes on. Plenty of ultra-valuable classic cars have had a salvage title at one point, titled as something else, or no title at all.
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I think condition would affect value more than a title blemish, especially as time goes on. Plenty of ultra-valuable classic cars have had a salvage title at one point, titled as something else, or no title at all.
You would think, but there is plenty of history in this forum of buyers looking for NAS Defenders that must have clean titles, and saying condition is not that important.
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Old May 25th, 2015, 11:01 PM
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You would think, but there is plenty of history in this forum of buyers looking for NAS Defenders that must have clean titles, and saying condition is not that important.
For people who plan on keeping their truck I guess it doesn't really matter since the title is just going to be stuffed away in a drawer or safe. But for people looking to re-sell I guess that'd be one of their priorities.
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Old May 25th, 2015, 11:18 PM
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And so if we are going to assume that all salvage titled (or previously salvage) NAS Defenders are worth less than all clean titled NAS Defenders, which actually is not the case, then we can also assume salvage titled ROW (or UK) trucks are worth less than clean titled ROW (or UK) trucks. But how does that work with imports? Do they issue salvage titles in Europe? And if so would that be reflected on the new US title? I'm guessing it would not be since it receives a brand new title after import? Seems like there could be a lucrative market selling ROW Defenders with bad histories to unknowing US customers.
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And so if we are going to assume that all salvage titled (or previously salvage) NAS Defenders are worth less than all clean titled NAS Defenders, which actually is not the case, then we can also assume salvage titled ROW (or UK) trucks are worth less than clean titled ROW (or UK) trucks. But how does that work with imports? Do they issue salvage titles in Europe? And if so would that be reflected on the new US title? I'm guessing it would not be since it receives a brand new title after import? Seems like there could be a lucrative market selling ROW Defenders with bad histories to unknowing US customers.
It factually is the case...the market is based on perception not actual nut and bolt value.
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They don't have salvaged titles in the UK. If it's totaled it's done.
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Old May 26th, 2015, 01:07 AM
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It factually is the case...the market is based on perception not actual nut and bolt value.
No, a clean titled Defender in very poor shape is not worth more than a completely and properly restored salvage.
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If you'd like to talk facts, we can. This salvage NAS 90 recently sold for $34,803. This salvage NAS 110 is currently listed at $184,999 with bids currently at $110,100. Clearly people don't seem to mind a little title blemish on an otherwise nice truck.
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If you'd like to talk facts, we can. This salvage NAS 90 recently sold for $34,803. This salvage NAS 110 is currently listed at $184,999 with bids currently at $110,100. Clearly people don't seem to mind a little title blemish on an otherwise nice truck.
Stop. Research before you post, and thats putting it nicely.
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If you'd like to talk facts, we can. This salvage NAS 90 recently sold for $34,803. This salvage NAS 110 is currently listed at $184,999 with bids currently at $110,100. Clearly people don't seem to mind a little title blemish on an otherwise nice truck.
That's an extreme example. An ECR NAS 110 probably has no original parts on it and spent 2 years getting restored.

Take a 2 identical, non restored 1993 NAS trucks. One has a Salvage title and the other clean and see which sells for more. I'll take the clean title.

My preference is a clean ROW truck. Then I can do whatever I want to it. If I had a clean NAS truck I'd want to keep it original. The only caveat to this is a salvage NAS truck. Then you can do whatever you want also like what you posted.
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Old May 26th, 2015, 08:37 AM
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That's an extreme example. An ECR NAS 110 probably has no original parts on it and spent 2 years getting restored. Take a 2 identical, non restored 1993 NAS trucks. One has a Salvage title and the other clean and see which sells for more. I'll take the clean title. My preference is a clean ROW truck. Then I can do whatever I want to it. If I had a clean NAS truck I'd want to keep it original. The only caveat to this is a salvage NAS truck. Then you can do whatever you want also like what you posted.
I could be wrong but I think that was his point. A well documented clean build can still sell for high dollar even if the title says salvage.

And I totally agree on your thinking about the UK/ROW trucks and doing as you want. I also feel like at this point the NAS vehicles should stay original or close to it.
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No, a clean titled Defender in very poor shape is not worth more than a completely and properly restored salvage.
I agreed to disagree, many here would rather a "proper" NAS titled no fuss in need of love D90/110 than a primo restored salvage for similar money. Do a poll, I may be wrong...

(or I maybe am confused about your point. I've re-read and can't thumb down what you're saying. I attribute it to weak coffee...)
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