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Old June 24th, 2016, 12:06 PM
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Could Brexit save/revive the Defender?

Now that Britain has voted to leave the EU, will Land Rover need to worry about the EU mandates that caused it to shutter production of the Defender? Any thoughts?
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Old June 24th, 2016, 12:27 PM
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Now that Britain has voted to leave the EU, will Land Rover need to worry about the EU mandates that caused it to shutter production of the Defender? Any thoughts?
if the want to sell them there yes. If you rule out North America, Europe, and Japan, how do you make a go of it with a pricey hand built truck ?
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Old June 24th, 2016, 01:26 PM
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if the want to sell them there yes. If you rule out North America, Europe, and Japan, how do you make a go of it with a pricey hand built truck ?
The Defender will be long gone before the UK even starts to unwind from the EU.
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Old June 24th, 2016, 02:08 PM
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The Defender will be long gone before the UK even starts to unwind from the EU.
You have dual citizenship- did you vote ?
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Strange topic as they will be making a new Defender. It will be crap, but that has nothing to do with regulations, it has to do with the people running Land Rover. It should have been updated 20 years ago, but the company is so messed up, it never happened.
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You have dual citizenship- did you vote ?
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Strange topic as they will be making a new Defender. It will be crap, but that has nothing to do with regulations, it has to do with the people running Land Rover. It should have been updated 20 years ago, but the company is so messed up, it never happened.
You mean when BMW owned it and executed the transformation that introduced vehicles like the class leading SUV defining Discovery?

Or a little later when Ford owned it and introduced the 3rd gen range rover ... which redefined the luxury class?
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Old June 24th, 2016, 03:07 PM
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You mean when BMW owned it and executed the transformation that introduced vehicles like the class leading SUV defining Discovery?

Or a little later when Ford owned it and introduced the 3rd gen range rover ... which redefined the luxury class?
None of those are "Land Rovers".

FYI. The Discovery came out in 1989. BMW bought Land Rover in 1994.... The Discovery was simply a re-bodied RR. Made lots of headlines, but was just a marketing exercise. Nothing innovative happened from when the RR was designed in late 60s.

The 3rd gen RR was designed by BMW, not Ford. All the new stuff is the same crap everyone else builds.

The "Defender" was simply a Land Rover body thrown onto a RR chassis. Zero innovation.
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Or a little later when Ford owned it and introduced the 3rd gen range rover ... which redefined the luxury class?
That was a BMW creation...
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None of those are "Land Rovers".

FYI. The Discovery came out in 1989. BMW bought Land Rover in 1994.... The Discovery was simply a re-bodied RR. Made lots of headlines, but was just a marketing exercise. Nothing innovative happened from when the RR was designed in late 60s.

The 3rd gen RR was designed by BMW, not Ford. All the new stuff is the same crap everyone else builds.

The "Defender" was simply a Land Rover body thrown onto a RR chassis. Zero innovation.
More like a Series III with coil springs.
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Jeep sells 200k Wranglers a year in the US at $25k to $40k each, and this is before the upcoming pick-up or diesel models are introduced.
MB selling approx 1500 G-Wagons a year in the US at $120k-$150k each (not including the 6x6 beasts).
Fewer and fewer body-on-frame utility vehicles being made.
Based on holding prices of '93-'97 NA Defenders, the demand for the vehicles would seem to be there.
With the right marketing push, and now a broader dealer network (much more so than in the mid to late 90's), I think LR could sell 20k US Defenders a year - that'd make it worthwhile to dust off the assembly line.
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Old June 24th, 2016, 04:13 PM
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More like a Series III with coil springs.
It has the same suspension and drive train as the RR had at the time it was built. Just slight modifications to fit the Series type body and a few body upgrades. Nothing that could not have been easily designed by any old technician. No engineering level work was required.
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Old June 25th, 2016, 01:08 AM
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Based on holding prices of '93-'97 NA Defenders

The only reason prices are holding on these year Defenders is because they are so rare....
If they were offered every year since 93, I would think prices would be more in line with used Wranglers. The truth is most people would rather have a vehicle made by machines with no leaks and quirks in large volumes than a hand built, more agricultural Defenders.
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Jeep sells 200k Wranglers a year in the US at $25k to $40k each, and this is before the upcoming pick-up or diesel models are introduced. MB selling approx 1500 G-Wagons a year in the US at $120k-$150k each (not including the 6x6 beasts). Fewer and fewer body-on-frame utility vehicles being made. Based on holding prices of '93-'97 NA Defenders, the demand for the vehicles would seem to be there. With the right marketing push, and now a broader dealer network (much more so than in the mid to late 90's), I think LR could sell 20k US Defenders a year - that'd make it worthwhile to dust off the assembly line.
Take a quick look at the distance between the steering wheel and the front windshield. That problem can't be solved without destroying the look of the Defender.
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Moved to misc chit chat since you do not have a vehicle for sale swb
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