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Old January 10th, 2014, 09:52 AM
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So I guess there goes the claims that this truck would never have a title and would be scarred for life? Is there an "I told you so" emoticon for others to use?
I think the issue here is that the truck is being flipped so quickly that the information from the insurance company to the Autochecks and Carfax's of the world hasn't yet been received/processed. This is how some people sell salvaged trucks to unsuspecting buyers who think they're doing their due dilligence by running those checks (which come back clean). The seller isn't saying it's salvaged unless pointedly asked that specific question.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 10:03 AM
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So I guess there goes the claims that this truck would never have a title and would be scarred for life? Is there an "I told you so" emoticon for others to use?
If this comment is directed towards me, I would suggest that you go back and re-read my posts. I never said that someone wouldn't be able to get a title for the vehicle, only that they shouldn't. (see post, http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...8&postcount=27) And, on any account, I would not speak so soon regarding the matter.....

As to the "scarred for life" comment, just do a quick Google search of the VIN # (here, I'll make it easy for you):

https://www.google.com/#q=SALDH1286PA920442

Apparently, doing one's due diligence has already educated at least one prospective buyer. And, that lead them here to re-ignition of this thread. Like they say, once you put it on the internet, it will stay there forever.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 10:14 AM
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Anybody who has ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE should report the ad to EBay if this is the case. They don't take kindly to people trying to defraud other people on their website.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 10:31 AM
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Sir, you are entitled to your freedom of expression. It, however, does not make you right.
Someone is a little touchy this am.....Will I think Jeff directed that at Jason by the looks of it.
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If this comment is directed towards me, I would suggest that you go back and re-read my posts. I never said that someone wouldn't be able to get a title for the vehicle, only that they shouldn't. (see post, http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...8&postcount=27) And, on any account, I would not speak so soon regarding the matter.....

As to the "scarred for life" comment, just do a quick Google search of the VIN # (here, I'll make it easy for you):

https://www.google.com/#q=SALDH1286PA920442

Apparently, doing one's due diligence has already educated at least one prospective buyer. And, that lead them here to re-ignition of this thread. Like they say, once you put it on the internet, it will stay there forever.
Not directed to anyone in particular, but it does appear as if the below statements were incorrect...and it was not the "end o' story" if it did get a title (even if it's still got a misty history).

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Per Colorado law, it CANNOT BE TITLED again in any state. May be used for parts only.

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This of course is in addition to the fact that the title has been cancelled (i.e., "junked") and as such the vehicle can no longer be titled or registered.....anywhere....ever. End o' story.

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Old January 10th, 2014, 10:42 AM
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Someone is a little touchy this am.....Will I think Jeff directed that at Jason by the looks of it.
It was directed at me.

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Not directed to anyone in particular, but it does appear as if the below statements were incorrect...and it was not the "end o' story" if it did get a title (even if it's still got a misty history).
The statements are not incorrect and I stand by them.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 10:46 AM
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The statements are not incorrect and I stand by them.
Easy on the double negatives .

But you stand by your statement that the vehicle can never be titled anywhere ever again (ever) even though it's for sale currently with a title?
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Old January 10th, 2014, 10:53 AM
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Doesnt make it wrong either.

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Jeff, thanks for the clarification, although, it was a littler hard to see when typed in white. Honestly, I do have a sense of humor and I'll try keep that in mind from here out. I just didn't find your reply to be humorous given the context. Regardless, no worries, we're good.

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Easy on the double negatives .

But you stand by your statement that the vehicle can never be titled anywhere ever again (ever) even though it's for sale currently with a title?
Yes, I stand by my statement that, "Per Colorado law, it CANNOT BE TITLED again in any state. May be used for parts only."

The 2nd quote you posted of mine flows from the first quote of mine which you posted. Consequently, I stand behind both of them as true and accurate statements of the law.

Whether an individual chooses to follow the law is not something which is within my purview or control. For instance, if you see that the speed limit on a given road is 55 mph hour, then you cannot exceed the posted speed limit of 55 mph. However, if you choose to drive 75 mph on the same road when you know the speed limit to be 55 mph, and an officer of the law happens to take notice, well then may God have mercy on your soul......
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Old January 10th, 2014, 11:25 AM
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The 2nd quote you posted of mine flows from the first quote of mine which you posted. Consequently, I stand behind both of them as true and accurate statements of the law.
So the letter-of-the-law states the verbiage "End o' story" and "Thanks for playing"? Weird . Seems more like interjected opinion, but hey that's why you're the law-talking guy and I'm just a guy on the forum. But if I was in the courtroom I'd totally call for a bad court thingy to get it thrown out.
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well according to the seller they are going to have a "clean" (It was a flooded vehicle - giggle) title for it...word I got was it will not have a salvage title, but they are saying they bought it at auction, and it had water damage.
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Easy on the double negatives .

But you stand by your statement that the vehicle can never be titled anywhere ever again (ever) even though it's for sale currently with a title?
Wait, it's currently for sale with a title? All I see in his decription is "CALL JERRY 4048348229" and that it's a 1992 Defender, and that the mileage is 70,000 when the odometer showed 90,628 just last month...
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Wait, it's currently for sale with a title? All I see in his decription is "CALL JERRY 4048348229" and that it's a 1992 Defender, and that the mileage is 70,000 when the odometer showed 90,628 just last month...
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Used: A vehicle is considered used if it has been registered and issued a title. Used vehicles have had at least one previous owner. The condition of the exterior, interior and engine can vary depending on the vehicle's history. See the seller's listing for full details and description of any imperfections. See all condition definitions
VIN (Vehicle Identification Number): SALDH1286PA920442
Year: 1993
Transmission: Manual
Make: Land Rover
Body Type: Wagon
Model: Defender
Vehicle Title: Clear
Trim: 8
Options: 4-Wheel Drive, CD Player
Engine: 8
Safety Features: Anti-Lock Brakes
Drive Type: 4WD
Power Options: Air Conditioning, Cruise Control
Mileage: 90,000
Fuel Type: Gasoline
Exterior Color: White
For Sale By: Dealer
Interior Color: Black
Warranty: Vehicle does NOT have an existing warranty
Number of Cylinders: 8
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That's just the seller being deceptive. It also says it has Anti-lock brakes and Cruise Control. As Jonesy said, he is going to apparently get a clean title for it, which implies it does not currently have one. It at least looks like he went back and changed the year to 1993 and updated the mileage a bit.
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So the letter-of-the-law states the verbiage "End o' story" and "Thanks for playing"? Weird . Seems more like interjected opinion, but hey that's why you're the law-talking guy and I'm just a guy on the forum. But if I was in the courtroom I'd totally call for a bad court thingy to get it thrown out.
I take your response to be a little tongue-in-cheek by your use of reductio ad absurdum. But, no matter how I choose to emphasize my point (e.g., "End o' story" and "Thanks for playing"), the fact is that the law is very clear in this matter.

At any rate, I feel like we are having a bit of a Ron Burgundy "San Diego" type moment here, so let's just shake hands and "agree to disagree".




Oh, and let me just say that, if we were in a courtroom......you would lose. Just sayin'.
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Hypothetical question here for you legal Defender scholar types...

Is it at all possible that someone paid someone a little $omething extra to clear up that title problem?

It happens all the time in other arenas, I'm sure it happens in the car title business too.

Just curious...
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Hypothetical question here for you legal Defender scholar types...

Is it at all possible that someone paid someone a little $omething extra to clear up that title problem?

It happens all the time in other arenas, I'm sure it happens in the car title business too.

Just curious...
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I think Will's point's and opinions are well stated and well founded. Backed by factual experiences and examples. The statements he has made here are only to educate any potential buyers of this vehicle or another vehicle with the same sort of "stigma" attached to it.

While others may have different opinions about this vehicle in particular the fact remains that the vehicle in question will have insurance companies in the USA documenting it as a totaled and salvage vehicle that may or may not be an insurance risk for an insurance company or its insured. So on paper it should not carry the same value to an unsuspecting buyer. I personally would not suggest anyone purchase it for more then parts.
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