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Old January 22nd, 2010, 06:08 PM
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I have done it a couple times just for the sake of it, and I have had to move defenders with dead clutches around at the shop this way, but what I have found works best (especially for those who are new to it) is to pull the shifter out of gear slowly and into neutral. Then, if you press gently on the shifter, as if putting it into the gear of your choice, it will simply slide into gear like butter when the revs match properly.

If you are up-shifting, you just need to wait a brief moment for the revs to drop. If you are down-shifting, you just need to blip the throttle a little to match the revs. I am not sure if this method causes any additional wear to the synchros, but it allows you to change gears very smoothly without the clutch, and without any grinding.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 06:33 PM
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I have been a shop monkey for 20 plus years and have done my share of clutchless driving on cars, I hold a CDL

'commercial drivers licence" and have driven big rigs for about a million miles.... there is some similarity but not all applies, for instance the big rig lends it self to speed shifting, if done properly it makes it sound as if it was an automatic.... with the car it is a bit trickie to find the right rpm range and mantain the horse power/torque to keep from stalling and you cannot do speed shifting.
sometimes i do it just because im lazy and dont feel like streching my left leg.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 06:42 PM
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And likewise when you downshift, you let off the gas, pull it out of gear, tap the gas to get the revs up, and push into the gear when the revs match. Keys is to get the feel for the revs or you'll hear a lot of grinding. if I wasn't so busy today I'd run out for a drive and make a video of it. I googled and you can find some on you-tube, but none of them impressed me (and they were all little cars with easy to shift transmissions).
awesome...now i just have to get rid of my son (not permanently of course) so i can give it a bash - otherwise i'd never hear the end of it. A matter of do as I say and not as I do.
Charles, I'd be interested to see the video if you're up to making one. no rush. my son showed me the youtube videos but i want to see the real deal with a real truck. thanks!
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 09:55 PM
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This thread is funny!

I don't like little metal bits from ooooops shift coming out in the oil. If I threw the vette into gear without using the clutch at about 80, I probably would break something or go for a real fun ride at 600plus torque.

Good to know for emergency use though.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 10:47 PM
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Its hard for me to shift without the clutch in my D-90. I never missed a gear in the old peterbilt or the late model International at the drilling company. We had an old Autocar with the split H I could never get the hang of that thing.
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Old January 23rd, 2010, 10:03 AM
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... If I threw the vette into gear without using the clutch at about 80, I probably would break something or go for a real fun ride ....h.
Shane,

There is the reason why you'll break something


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Old January 23rd, 2010, 11:31 AM
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I drive WW2 trucks as a hobby, british 10 ton diesels with a crash box and american 2.5 ton GMC's which are petrol and also have crash boxes. You change gear differently in the Diesel vehicles, its a much slower gear change. Last year I drove a 1944 British 10 tonner with a diesel engine and a Crash box, no PAS, No suspention etc very basic to normandy in France to commerate the 65th aniversary of D-Day, on the trip we did over 2000miles all with Double de clutch changes, I did all the driving.
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Old January 23rd, 2010, 08:17 PM
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Shane,

There is the reason why you'll break something


sorry couldn't resist
Thats true. The ten bolt is not as strong as it should be.
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wish i could drive with some of you who really know how to do it...get the "nuts and bolts" on doing it just right. But alas, you all seem to live too far away.
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I threw up a quick video of me driving my 110 without the clutch this morning. It might not be that helpful in terms of learning, but it at least shows you it being done in a land rover.



Take note of my goodie-2-shoes 14 year old getting on my case for getting into 4th gear in a residential street

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Woooo freekin bloody Hoooo!!! Charles, either you're a brilliant youtube teacher or i'm a natural born clutchless shifter with perfect pitch My kids would say the former rather than the latter!
I hopped in the truck when the family was out and every shift went in smoothly, like a hot knife through butter - no grind, crunch or clank. That was shifting up so still have to tackle down.
Thanks for the video. Tell your 14 year old excellent cinematography and side commentary. I watched it about 5 times before attempting it myself. Dang, gotta keep this under wraps so can't even brag to my son...
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Haha glad it helped. That was take 1 on the way to the grocery store. We reviewed it and I realized you couldn't see my foot on the accelerator pedal so I gave her some direction and we took another take on the way hope. It showed my feet better except she held the camera sideways and also had a slight grind downshifting one time (along with a "oh thats bad" from my daughter) so I decided not to use that one.
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Woooo freekin bloody Hoooo!!! Charles, either you're a brilliant youtube teacher or i'm a natural born clutchless shifter with perfect pitch My kids would say the former rather than the latter!
I hopped in the truck when the family was out and every shift went in smoothly, like a hot knife through butter - no grind, crunch or clank. That was shifting up so still have to tackle down.
Thanks for the video. Tell your 14 year old excellent cinematography and side commentary. I watched it about 5 times before attempting it myself. Dang, gotta keep this under wraps so can't even brag to my son...
There's another way to look at this. Now that you have learned to do it, you can teach your son. He'll probably tell all his friends (and maybe some of yours) that you are the coolest mom in the world.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 07:21 PM
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the first time i watched the video i found myself wanting to see who parked their car in the middle of the road! 2nd time i watched your foot closely and also the speed at which you shifted the gear lever. After that i had to close my eyes and listen to the revs cause i kept trying to see out the window. As for the grind, you had to demonstrate what NOT to do so that was good too. with all the educational video taking I'm sure your daughter will be an excellent driver in the very very near future!!! now i'm wondering what other little moves I can learn. any suggestions???

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There's another way to look at this. Now that you have learned to do it, you can teach your son. He'll probably tell all his friends (and maybe some of yours) that you are the coolest mom in the world.
nah, sadly my son thinks i'm the mother from hell. Apparently, my parenting style is archaic and the "Little House on the Prairie" days are long gone.
I'll give it a couple of weeks then show him how. In the mean time I guess I'll carry the title of "meanie mom" with pride!
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Old January 24th, 2010, 07:43 PM
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with all the educational video taking I'm sure your daughter will be an excellent driver in the very very near future!!!
She's actually pretty good already as I have been letting her drive on trails and private property for a few years now. She drives RHD stick too!
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