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Old November 14th, 2009, 09:58 AM
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cell Phone and speed.

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The Honda crotch rocket rider was traveling at approximately 85 mph. The VW driver was talking on a cell phone when she pulled out from a side street, apparently not seeing the motorcycle. The riders reaction time was not sufficient enough to avoid this accident. The car had two passengers and the bike rider was found INSIDE the car with them. The Volkswagen actually flipped over from the force of impact and landed 20 feet from where the collision took place.
All three involved (two in the car and the bike rider) were killed instantly. This graphic demonstration was placed at the Motorcycle Fair by the Police and Road Safety Department.


Drivers and cell phone operators be alert. Cell phones and driving are a bad combination.A picture is worth a thousand words.
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Old November 14th, 2009, 11:17 AM
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...Cell phones and driving are a bad combination...
As are reckless bikers driving 85 mph on a route with side streets...
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Old November 14th, 2009, 01:10 PM
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As a motorcyclist that commuted for 10 years on a GSXR 600 and VFR800 in all weathers in the UK I place 100% responsibility for this accident on the motorcyclist.

Every biker should ride with the constant belief that everyone on the road is actively trying to kill them and will do completely unexpected actions in order to achieve this. They should adjust their riding (not just speed ) to compensate for this.

This rider clearly did not take responsibility for his own safety and as a result ended up killing an equally stupid driver.
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Old November 14th, 2009, 01:28 PM
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As are reckless bikers driving 85 mph on a route with side streets...
Ditto, as is smoking, eating, and everything else people seem to be doing while driving these days. But as sad as this accident was I put blame on the biker doing 85.



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Old November 14th, 2009, 01:40 PM
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Ditto, as is smoking, eating, and everything else people seem to be doing while driving these days. But as sad as this accident was I put blame on the biker doing 85.



Thanks for the info.
x2, the cell phone thing is bad, but the probably wouldnt look even if she off her phone. and they might have been gracious to the bikes speed, (maybe 100+)
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Old November 14th, 2009, 02:26 PM
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Old November 14th, 2009, 02:27 PM
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I had a friend seriously injured ( like brain damage ) when a motorcyclist lost control and bike and rider came through the A pillar of a Disco ... he was completely blameless, just wrong place wrong time.

Speed doesn't kill ... lack of judgement does.

Not knowing the circumstances I'm not going to single out speed as the cause of the Honda hitting the VW ... for all we know the rider could have had a route round the car and suffered from target fixation.

The same target fixation that causes cars and trucks to hit the only static object in a mile of the crash site ... the driver freezes his view thinking 'crap need to avoid that' and ends up hitting it head on.

Clarkson once said .. if you want to improve road safety, attach an 8inch spike to the steering wheel ( or handle bars of a bike ) facing the driver.

We should all work on enhancing our driving skills and think about the consequences of getting it wrong.

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nope ... i zoomed in looking for that too!
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Old November 14th, 2009, 02:59 PM
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As a motorcyclist that commuted for 10 years on a GSXR 600 and VFR800 in all weathers in the UK I place 100% responsibility for this accident on the motorcyclist.

Every biker should ride with the constant belief that everyone on the road is actively trying to kill them and will do completely unexpected actions in order to achieve this. They should adjust their riding (not just speed ) to compensate for this.

This rider clearly did not take responsibility for his own safety and as a result ended up killing an equally stupid driver.
I'm 100% with this statement. I went down on a bike around 50 mph after many thousands of miles of experience. Totally my fault for braking too late to maintain a safe braking distance from the spastic driver in front of me. Purposefully laying down a 700 lb motorcyle @ that speed and doing everything possible to get away from it and roll when hitting the pavement @ the same time is a life changing event. An old biker once said to me " its not a question of if, but rather when you are going down".
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Old November 14th, 2009, 04:18 PM
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In the UK it is illegal to use your cell phone whilst driveing unless you are on hands free.
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Old November 14th, 2009, 05:43 PM
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Same thing in NY but no one pays attention to the law.
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Old November 14th, 2009, 05:55 PM
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Old November 14th, 2009, 06:07 PM
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Same law in California. I work for the Los Angeles City Fire Department, I see it every day, people talking on cell phones while driving like idiots. Last shift a lady pulled right in front of my engine while we were responding to a call, she was oblivious and when she did see us she gave us a look like we were interrupting her call.

Anyone who says talking on the phone while driving does not effect their driving is delusional.

BTW, 100% in agree, the motorcycle traveling 85mph is at fault. Even at regular speeds motorcycles can be tough to see. At 85 it's a blur.
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Old November 15th, 2009, 07:27 PM
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I'm with Neil ...where's the GOO...
I've been 1st on the scene for 3 biker fatalities over the years, never caused one BTW...
the best ..or worse to date was a biker that over took a line of stationary traffic in the local high street and slammed into the back of a small van belonging to a security company that was in front of me.

the bike stopped dead at the rear of the van, damaging only the front wheel and forks however he passed though the rear window and was mostly stopped by the mesh dog guard, the sleeping alsation in the rear was uninjured.

I ran to the van and thought the driver had bought it has both he and the front windscreen were covered in blood'n chunks.
when i looked in the back the dog must have thought what the **** MMmmmm biker..! it was licking the rapidly expanding pool of blood.

the van driver was a total mess mentally.. the biker was in his 30's and hit the van about 60mph.

we see lots of biker related accidents in Wales due to the mountain roads and lack of traffic.!

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Same law in California. I work for the Los Angeles City Fire Department, I see it every day, people talking on cell phones while driving like idiots. Last shift a lady pulled right in front of my engine while we were responding to a call, she was oblivious and when she did see us she gave us a look like we were interrupting her call.

Anyone who says talking on the phone while driving does not effect their driving is delusional.

BTW, 100% in agree, the motorcycle traveling 85mph is at fault. Even at regular speeds motorcycles can be tough to see. At 85 it's a blur.
should have ran her over.
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Same law in California. I work for the Los Angeles City Fire Department, I see it every day, people talking on cell phones while driving like idiots. Last shift a lady pulled right in front of my engine while we were responding to a call, she was oblivious and when she did see us she gave us a look like we were interrupting her call.

Anyone who says talking on the phone while driving does not effect their driving is delusional.

BTW, 100% in agree, the motorcycle traveling 85mph is at fault. Even at regular speeds motorcycles can be tough to see. At 85 it's a blur.
When I ran into this driving the ambulance I use to pull up next to the car and lay on the horns for a bit before passing them just to let them know I was a little unhappy with their lack of awareness.
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It seems as if this is making the rounds on the BBS's. I suspect much of the information about this VW/Honda accident is apocryphal.
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I agree, bikes fault. I've been a motorcyclist now for a few years and the above post is correct, assume nobody sees or hears anything. Ride however the hell you want, just assume people are out for you. One thing jumps out about this accident "she pulled out from a side street".

I'm all for speeding. Seriously, 55 is stupid slow. In fact, I actually believe that in some case speeding makes better drivers. Someone doing 100 is paying a f*ck load more attention than someone doing 55 at least I hope so. That being said I've never gone over the speed limit in a town, city or rural area where houses or people are near the road or even where there are any reasonable amount of cars on the road. 85 mph in an area where a car could pull out from a "side street". stupid
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