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Old September 18th, 2013, 03:54 PM
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California imported D owners be warned

After chasing this crap around for weeks now I was able to speak with the Cal DMV registration compliance officer and the news is not good. Within the last few months California has passed a new law stating that if the car was built after 1968 and imported gray market, you MUST bring the vehicle up to North American Spec. and have the sticker on the door to show it has been inspected and passed. The DMV is, as I type sending out letters retroactively to people in Cal that already have registration and titles stating that unless they bring the vehicle up to spec they will not be able to re register the car! Some of you here that were lucky enough to get the inspector at the DMV to check the box that says it meets safety and emission regs are going to skate on this, LUCKY! Also in Cal, even if the motor is Diesel it must be inspected and passed by a CARB officer. Does anyone have a list of what it takes to convert to NAS? This means even if the car was registered in another state and transferred to Cal you will be getting this letter. Heads up!
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Old September 18th, 2013, 03:57 PM
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There were limited or no federal emissions for diesel for a very long time. I can't imagine it would be that hard to get it to pass whatever diesel specs for 6000lbs GVWR vehicles were at the time.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:04 PM
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is the cage the only other change or are anti lock brakes required too? I plan to instal an internal cage at some point, Maybe I could pull this off
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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:11 PM
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Just a guess, but probably the seat belt buzzer, larger side marker lights, amber front marker lights, and that silly 50,000 mile check engine light (for the CATs). Mine tripped at ~ 50,700. No ABS in 94.

But other than the cage and the light color, how would they know the exhaustive list?

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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:19 PM
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I'll probably register it out of state and just pay if I get a fix it ticket
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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:21 PM
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I'd suggest talking to the folks at Rovers North. Around 1984/85, Mark Letorney brought in a few legitimate grey market Defender 110's which were Federalized before the door was completely closed by the new law. Several of those same trucks are still running around.

Here are a couple of examples:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=39689

http://eastcoastrover.com/Leppard.html

And I'm not sure what you mean by them requiring them to be "NAS spec"? Do you mean they have to meet all standards for MY 1993?
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Is this only for CARB or also for FMVSS? It would be impossible to certify to FMVSS retroactively. The tests are destructive. California is retarded.
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Did the guy give you a copy of the revised law? If not I would do some serious research before I put a nickel into anything to meet his stated standard. California is legislatively out of control and as stated over and over, most DMV employees don't know their butt from a hole in the ground.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:29 PM
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Buy some land in Eastern Oregon for $5k and register it there. Added benefit of no sales tax.
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what I was told is the vehicles will have to meet emissions and safety standards for the United states, or you can get a letter from Land Rover stating that the vehicle is in compliance with all us Laws.
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Not arguing but you have to ask yourself how does a Californian register a unmolested Model A Ford rag top?
No emissions
No air bags
No seatbelts
No rollover protection

Why haven't all the condors died yet?
What about the children?
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what I was told is the vehicles will have to meet emissions and safety standards for the United states, or you can get a letter from Land Rover stating that the vehicle is in compliance with all us Laws.
As I understand it, your vehicle is in compliance with US law, because it was/is exempted under the 25-year rule. (i.e., it is exempt from from EPA & DOT standards, see link: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...-into-the-u.s.)

I'd ask to see a copy of the new California law as well, as it appears to be at odds with established Federal law. Under federal law, a vehicle which conforms to the 25-year rule is not required to meet the standards the California DMV is stating you must meet.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 05:12 PM
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California government does what it wants. It like the gun laws, they decide no one can have more than a 10 round magazine and there you go!
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nice place to visit but... contact Barry Fein he will advise you on the work around.
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nice place to visit but... contact Barry Fein he will advise you on the work around.
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I'd ask to see a copy of the new California law as well, as it appears to be at odds with established Federal law. Under federal law, a vehicle which conforms to the 25-year rule is not required to meet the standards the California DMV is stating you must meet.
This was a thing back in 2008, when the Bush-era EPA tried to crack down on States setting their own standards. California actually sued the EPA stating that they should be able to set stricter emissions standards than the rest of the country. Detroit, understandably, didn't want to keep making 2 different models (one for CA and the other satellite republics that follow our rules, and one for everyone else) so they lobbied hard against it.

In the end, California won and we have some of the strictest emissions laws on the planet.
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Does anyone have a list of what it takes to convert to NAS?
Here is the comprehensive list determined by NHTSA back in December 2008. Note the applicability of this decision was limited to 94-95' noncoforming Defenders (i.e., non NAS Defenders). You would think that this list would still be applicable on importing a 95' today.
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Looks like there will be a flood of Land Rover Defenders being sold by California owners who cannot renew their registrations.

Also start looking for something well known of in Collector car circles. A sticker that says not eligible for sale or registration in California.
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