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Old September 25th, 2013, 09:35 AM
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Old September 25th, 2013, 09:53 AM
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Looks like there will be a flood of Land Rover Defenders being sold by California owners who cannot renew their registrations.

Also start looking for something well known of in Collector car circles. A sticker that says not eligible for sale or registration in California.
got any craigslist links?
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Old September 25th, 2013, 10:17 AM
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Here is the comprehensive list determined by NHTSA back in December 2008. Note the applicability of this decision was limited to 94-95' noncoforming Defenders (i.e., non NAS Defenders). You would think that this list would still be applicable on importing a 95' today.
Who is Skytop and what is their motivation for the commentary?
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Old September 25th, 2013, 10:27 AM
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Here is the comprehensive list determined by NHTSA back in December 2008. Note the applicability of this decision was limited to 94-95' noncoforming Defenders (i.e., non NAS Defenders). You would think that this list would still be applicable on importing a 95' today.
The 92-93 110 is on the list as well as the 94-95 90's. Point being that the truck would have to be a lhd fuel injected v8 in order to be eligible. Guess where Rover sent all of those right off the manufacturing line?
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Old September 25th, 2013, 10:33 AM
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Who is Skytop and what is their motivation for the commentary?
It is all stated on the Background (page 2).
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Old September 25th, 2013, 11:05 AM
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Who is Skytop and what is their motivation for the commentary?
Skytop is/was a place in Philadelphia area that had oddball british car/Land Rover import business.
Wonder how they benefited from making those statements.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 11:20 AM
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Skytop is/was a place in Philadelphia area that had oddball british car/Land Rover import business.
Wonder how they benefited from making those statements.
Maybe they had a business importing/converting trucks to NAS-compliance and this ruling helps them get more customers? I can't think of any other reason, but I'm not super creative.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 01:51 AM
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Anyone have a current status on all this? Anyone received a letter? Been able to register a v8 or diesel grey market defender?
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I'm curious if anyone looked into buying out-of-state land and if this actually passes legal muster.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 07:25 AM
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I'm curious if anyone looked into buying out-of-state land and if this actually passes legal muster.
Then registering and insuring it there but driving in CA?
Bet you'll run into insurance issues the first time you have an accident.
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Then registering and insuring it there but driving in CA?
Bet you'll run into insurance issues the first time you have an accident.
Probably not. I've used USAA since I started driving. I've always had a vehicle registered in a different state operated in another. You just have to ensure you tell them where it is being driven/operated. They care less about where you are versus ensuring your coverage is applicable to the location it's at.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 08:26 AM
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Howzabout a dose of reality in this discussion?
http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/master_fa...t_cars_faq.htm

And:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/ldctp/udi.pdf

Looks like this is nothing new, as these docs are from 1988
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Nothing new on this

Back in 2001 I sold my 1995 F355GTS to a CA resident , the car was of french origin/market , was legally imported via FL by a Ferrari Dealer in 1996.
He couldn't register it at all, so I bought it back.

Then I re-sold it with a disclaimer " NON CA LEGAL "

However, my Diablo VT was purchased in CA, go figure their laws LOL
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 08:39 AM
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Yawp they need to meet evaporative emissions and pass SMOG check. I think a diesel wouldn't have any problems there.
Doesn't say anything about brakes, safety cage or anything like that.

Oh BTW< here's all the names and contact info for the people in charge of the labs and testing. I'd start by calling one of these blokes to find out where to go next.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/org/orgmld.htm
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Yawp they need to meet evaporative emissions and pass SMOG check. I think a diesel wouldn't have any problems there.
Doesn't say anything about brakes, safety cage or anything like that.

Oh BTW< here's all the names and contact info for the people in charge of the labs and testing. I'd start by calling one of these blokes to find out where to go next.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/org/orgmld.htm
Having been down this road, it is FAR more complicated than an evap and a smog check.
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Having been down this road, it is FAR more complicated than an evap and a smog check.
Thankfully, I don't live in Cali-zany-a.
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I wonder if you could replace something "major" and register it as a kit car? I guess they give out 500 emissions exemptions every year. But you'd have to get up early on January 1 to get one.

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Now that I have a few seconds to explain...

This is the #1 misconception about California emissions laws. While a smog check may only look at a few things, its goal is to ensure compliance with emissions regulations in a practical manner for a vehicle model that has already been blessed by CARB. It is NOT what is required to certify a car as California Compliant.

CARB mandates standards on everything from air filters to fuel injectors to Y-Pipes and cats. Your vehicle MUST be 100% compliant to pass the CARB certification process, and for every component you have that doesn't already have CARB approval you must either pay to get it certified, or replace it with one that already is. To make matters worse, if you have a 1987 Diesel let's say, you don't get to certify it to 1987 standards, since this is essentially a "new" model for certification purposes it must meet 2014 standards. Good luck with that.

This is the ONLY reason these trucks are not legal in CA, it's all about emissions. That's why so many of us are closely watching the Transit Van introduction and certification with the Puma motor, as well as motor conversions like Nick's Gen IV. If you put in a CA legal motor (with all the required equipment) for your weight class of vehicle and document that change with DMV and a referee, then you are good. You will have to follow the rules for that model year and type of engine (i.e. Smog checks).
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I wonder if you could replace something "major" and register it as a kit car? I guess they give out 500 emissions exemptions every year. But you'd have to get up early on January 1 to get one.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcns.htm
Not for Defenders. The DMV is quite clear that you can't use a production vehicle for this.

At last year's San Diego British Car Day, I was speaking to an owner of an Ariel Atom that used one of the 500 exemptions that year, he said that there were less than 500 people waiting. He blamed the economy for it.

He also mentioned that you had better have every last piece of paperwork ready and correct, or else you get told to go away and someone else is going to get your unobtanium exemption and you have to wait another year.
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Not for Defenders. The DMV is quite clear that you can't use a production vehicle for this.
Yeah, that's what I was wondering about. So how do they Ariel guys get away with it? is it because it's all new, never assembled as a car before that place in Virginia builds them? If you could find a CKD of a Defender I wonder if that would qualify as a kit.
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