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Old March 19th, 2006, 03:31 PM
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Build a 110?

I'm having dreams/thoughts of building a 110 Station Wagon. I'm sure someone on this board has built one before or is in the midst of it now.

I want to build a 110 SW with a 300 TDI or the 2.5 TGV, galvanize chassis, updated rear door, updated dash, interior, etc. I basically want something in between a CKD 110 and an ECR 110. I want the 110 to last; keeping anti-rust and longevity in mind.

Some questions:

1. Does anyone have a ballpark idea of how much this would cost?
2. Would it be better to source the parts from a used '93 and restore?
3. Should I turn my 90 into a 110 or sell it and use the money toward a 110 buy or build-up?

I appreciate any helpful thoughts; even thoughts where money is no object, though it is now with a 7-month old!

Thanks!
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Old March 19th, 2006, 06:11 PM
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Alot depends on what you want to do.
The little details really add up fast.

You are looking at $50-100K
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Old March 19th, 2006, 08:47 PM
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I believe it could frugally be done for 30-35k depending on how you sourced your D-90 donor (buy salvage, buy high-mileage, or alter yours). You can get back a ton of money from parts sales if you modify your truck.

Honestly, I think the best option is to buy a decent 110 overseas and bring in the parts through someone like Dixon Strachan (in BC - Rock Island Rovers) who can have it shipped and sell it to you as parts. Then you reassemble it yourself around your NAS bulkhead of choice.
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Old March 19th, 2006, 09:05 PM
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RDS has a frame! But the project will cost some big doe!!
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Old March 19th, 2006, 10:20 PM
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I want to build a 110 SW with a 300 TDI or the 2.5 TGV, galvanize chassis, updated rear door, updated dash, interior, etc. I basically want something in between a CKD 110 and an ECR 110. I want the 110 to last; keeping anti-rust and longevity in mind.
For a truck spec'd like above (between a CKD and an ERC), you are not on a frugal budget. I'll say 50K is the starting point.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 10:30 PM
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What about going overseas, buying a 110, disassembling it and shipping it back in parts? Would that be on the grey lines of legal/illegal?
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Old March 21st, 2006, 11:16 PM
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If you assemble it into the same truck, its illegal. If you assemble it and attach the VIN from a NAS truck, thats illegal too. If you use a bulkhead from a NAS truck you are probably totally in the clear based on the laws in your jurisdiction. The argument gets metaphysical quickly, but the more NAS parts on your final product the more legitimate it is in anyones eyes. After all, a 110 is just a "streched" 90.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 12:31 AM
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You don't have to go that far to find a TDI 110. There have been several listed for sale on eBay, lrx, etc in the past year, all currently in the country with various registrations. Some registered as series vehicles, some registered as kits in their respective states, yet others with salvage titles. Some go for between 23-33K.

IF you were inclined to "build up" a 110 from your 90 (even if it is just swapping the bulkhead), there are options - all equally as gray. Personally, I find it hard to differentiate between these and those coming from overseas. All carry too much risk for me.

One thing you should definitely consider in restoring a 93 is the number of parts you may need to replace on a 93 due to corrosion.

Depending on the vehicle you start with, you may likely need (all prices approximate for new parts):
1. Both T-Supports ($1000 from RN)
2. Potentially all 4 doors ($2000)
3. New Bulkhead ($700 quoted from RDS a few mos back)
4. Chassis ($2000) - depending on what you have this could be repaired
5. rear body capping ($280)
6. Who knows what else structurally

Depending on your plans for the interior, you may also want to budget for
1. New headliners - all 3 ($1000) - I just removed my rear 2, I think it looks better
2. New/Recovered Seats - remember some you have drive/pass, 60/40 & 4 jumps

And don't forget, unless you get really lucky on the body parts, painting, probably the entire rig.

Add that to the 6-12K you will be looking at in diesel/driveline/misc parts and it is easy to see how this could start to add up really fast, even if you did the work yourself
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 09:04 AM
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A lot of good stuff to think about. Thanks everyone.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 10:55 AM
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Will. from building a truck I would advise to use your 90 for the bulkhead, front end and all those little parts like seat box, interior floor tunnel supports and so on. these things add up. then source the rear of the truck, roof, doors t-supports and frame from someone like George from RDS or equicar in the UK direct.... Do not start from scratch. YOu will have to sell your house, first born or more to complete it.. Also you then have a legal truck with a title...
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Originally Posted by Chaucer
I'm having dreams/thoughts of building a 110 Station Wagon. I'm sure someone on this board has built one before or is in the midst of it now.

I want to build a 110 SW with a 300 TDI or the 2.5 TGV, galvanize chassis, updated rear door, updated dash, interior, etc. I basically want something in between a CKD 110 and an ECR 110. I want the 110 to last; keeping anti-rust and longevity in mind.

Some questions:

1. Does anyone have a ballpark idea of how much this would cost?
2. Would it be better to source the parts from a used '93 and restore?
3. Should I turn my 90 into a 110 or sell it and use the money toward a 110 buy or build-up?

I appreciate any helpful thoughts; even thoughts where money is no object, though it is now with a 7-month old!

Thanks!
We build up 110's for clients. We are based in the UK. We have options using donor 1983 110's and new ga;vanised chassis rangeing from $35,000 to $80,000+ , we are currently building a 2008 spec vehicle for a client with a 4.4V8 and a RR auto box, its ecpected to be landed US at $90,000 approx.

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we are currently building a 2008 spec vehicle for a client with a 4.4V8 and a RR auto box
Not that most customs agent know or seem to check this, but you know that to import a 1983 110 to the USA it must be powered by the original engine, or original type.
I'm sure they never check this, because I see tons of trucks with different engines, but in a worst case if that was originally a 2.5 4 cyl 110 the DOT/Customs could reject it.
I do not want to get into a debate. I'm just stating what it says on the EPA/DOT import forms.
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Old February 1st, 2008, 11:49 AM
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Not that most customs agent know or seem to check this, but you know that to import a 1983 110 to the USA it must be powered by the original engine, or original type.
I'm sure they never check this, because I see tons of trucks with different engines, but in a worst case if that was originally a 2.5 4 cyl 110 the DOT/Customs could reject it.
I do not want to get into a debate. I'm just stating what it says on the EPA/DOT import forms.

This is a good point. I have tried to point this out a few times as well. The vehicle can be altered to a newer engine after it is in the country. IMO

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I have a couple 83' D110's being built currently at my shop. They will be for sale when completed.
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Old February 1st, 2008, 11:55 AM
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This is a good point. I have tried to point this out a few times as well. The vehicle can be altered to a newer engine after it is in the country. IMO

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I have a couple 83' D110's being built currently at my shop. They will be for sale when completed.
how long till we get to see pics of these? I'm going to have to start selling crack soon, bc i have a feeling with the 110's starting to come in their are going to be some really crazy trucks out on the road!***


Anyone care to guess how many 1983 110's are going to hit our shore this year? 30? 40 maybe?


*** there are already a few crazy 110's running around but they are pretty rare due to cost off the base vehicle...
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Old February 1st, 2008, 12:03 PM
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50.00 for pics

Sorry couldn't resist

Any bitching I'll make it 100.00
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I'm in the midst of a very slow 110 station wagon build.

1. I don't want to think about what it has and will cost

2. I didn't have that much cash. I started with a rolled over military 110 station wagon that I bought at a military disposal auction here in Calgary.

3. I didn't... I'm keeping my 90 and I'm going to have a 110 to dam it
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50.00 for pics

Sorry couldn't resist

Any bitching I'll make it 100.00
I'll just wait till someone else posts the pics instead!!!!!!!

too soon? he started it!
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Old February 1st, 2008, 02:48 PM
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Everyone send 50.00

And I want a minimum of 1000 views. Then we raffle off the truck
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Trevor,

I have imported two diesel 1983 110 csw's so far this year- have them here in the driveway. My brother's 110 pickup truck is due in around valentines day. If you need a 110 fix come down to Annapolis. I drove the 110 powered by a Toyota 4.0 litre diesel home @ 80mph- that one has more giddy up than the tdi.

I can shed some light on the engine thing- it was raining, customs stayed in the building and just cleared my paper work. Both trucks had non- original engines: one a n/a diesel to tdi, and the other v8 to diesel. It took about 4.5 hours @ the port to get cleared- somewhat stressfull as well.
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