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Before there are any more defectord, now the long term truth comes out

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Typical.
Focusing on women's appearance.

What about Trumps hair and Mexican clothing?
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Old June 28th, 2016, 07:23 AM
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Typical.
Focusing on women's appearance.

What about Trumps hair and Mexican clothing?
Trump is a real life cartoon, it is no surprise he the hair and clothing. Its so obvious it is not worth pointing.
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Why is this idea of a European "super state" a surprise? It is the next logical evolution from the current European Union. This will bring the EU into an organizational structure more like the U.S. Federal system.

The U.S. system has worked for 240 years by finding a balance (and constantly being re-balanced) between states rights and federal oversight. The current EU organization has too much 'states rights' to effectively function as a single "country".

The other thing the EU needs to change is to directly elect the representatives in Brussels.

I'm not saying the 'super state' (effectively a 'United States of Europe') is right or wrong, or a good or bad idea, but it is the next logical evolution.

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Typical.
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What about Trumps hair and Mexican clothing?
Watching the Bengazi news conference now. The are definitely NOT focusing on what she was wearing.
Four men died and Hillary lied.
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Watching the Bengazi news conference now. The are definitely NOT focusing on what she was wearing.
Four men died and Hillary lied.
And the sad part is that the vast majority of her voters simply don't care about her history and behavior.

Since she is a "woman", it'll be the same reason Obama was elected just for being black, that she'll be voted for.
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Are they still wasting time on Benghazi?

The real story is that the Republican congress removed millions of dollars from the embassy security budget then seek to blame H and O for the deaths. Perhaps some of the millions they have wasted on the "inquiry" should be put to better use guarding embassies.
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Watching the Bengazi news conference now. The are definitely NOT focusing on what she was wearing.
Four men died and Hillary lied.
It would seem the release of what, the ninth investigation into Benghazi has in fact concluded that diplomacy in troubled places is dangerous.

Congrats Congress, you've done precious little in the past eight years but you've stumbled onto something that anyone in that business has known for a long, long time.

Do we think we've wasted enough money on this now?

I don't mean to be callous-and for those swooping in with outrage bear in mind I just spent two years directly involved in the business of diplomatic security-I just find the selective outrage somewhat hypocritical.

Put another way, if these four people who died doing what they had a calling to do, where they do it, are emblematic of HRC, the Obama Administration, and the DNC writ large then so be it. Given that 9/11 happened on the Bush/RNC side of the aisle can we all collectively agree that party should never be responsible for the collective security of a swim meet moving forward given the tremendous difference in order of magnitude? Oh wait, 9/11 is different...can't hold an individual responsible for that b/c its too big.
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Typical.
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What about Trumps hair and Mexican clothing?


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Focusing on women's appearance.

What about Trumps hair and Mexican clothing?
True, focusing on her frumpy dress and shrill, screeching voice really does not do justice to the real issues of her illegal, unethical, dishonest lying ways. Not to mention the fact that she is owned by Wall Street banks and was a shitty Secretary of State and thus does not deserve a promotion but does deserve to go to prison.
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It would seem the release of what, the ninth investigation into Benghazi has in fact concluded that diplomacy in troubled places is dangerous.

Congrats Congress, you've done precious little in the past eight years but you've stumbled onto something that anyone in that business has known for a long, long time.

Do we think we've wasted enough money on this now?

I don't mean to be callous-and for those swooping in with outrage bear in mind I just spent two years directly involved in the business of diplomatic security-I just find the selective outrage somewhat hypocritical.

Put another way, if these four people who died doing what they had a calling to do, where they do it, are emblematic of HRC, the Obama Administration, and the DNC writ large then so be it. Given that 9/11 happened on the Bush/RNC side of the aisle can we all collectively agree that party should never be responsible for the collective security of a swim meet moving forward given the tremendous difference in order of magnitude? Oh wait, 9/11 is different...can't hold an individual responsible for that b/c its too big.


Well put! But let's face it, both parties suck. It's way beyond time to clean house and start over...


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It would seem the release of what, the ninth investigation into Benghazi has in fact concluded that diplomacy in troubled places is dangerous.

Congrats Congress, you've done precious little in the past eight years but you've stumbled onto something that anyone in that business has known for a long, long time.

Do we think we've wasted enough money on this now?

I don't mean to be callous-and for those swooping in with outrage bear in mind I just spent two years directly involved in the business of diplomatic security-I just find the selective outrage somewhat hypocritical.

Put another way, if these four people who died doing what they had a calling to do, where they do it, are emblematic of HRC, the Obama Administration, and the DNC writ large then so be it. Given that 9/11 happened on the Bush/RNC side of the aisle can we all collectively agree that party should never be responsible for the collective security of a swim meet moving forward given the tremendous difference in order of magnitude? Oh wait, 9/11 is different...can't hold an individual responsible for that b/c its too big.
I think the selective outrage you reference was due to the dishonest spin the media and public were fed. Why and how was that even remotely productive ? You likely know better than most how often that does or doesn't happen from a military ops/ intelligence/diplomacy standpoint and I personally doubt one party is more or less culpable (historically) than the other for our previous diplomatic blunders. I think everyone is sick of the repeated investigations and tens of millions spent.
Everyone wants change. Imo the problem or national frustration, is the fortitude/turpitude of the candidates for the job.
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Do we think we've wasted enough money on this now?
Not until Hilary fully, clearly and unambiguously admits that she lied for years about the circumstances of Benghazi. And that her motivation for lying was personal and to advance her political career.

Just looking for the truth.

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Not until Hilary fully, clearly and unambiguously admits that she lied for years about the circumstances of Benghazi. And that her motivation for lying was personal and to advance her political career.

Just looking for the truth.

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I think the lying is as much a matter of political perspective as anything.

Put another way, looking for an honest politician is like looking for fidelity from a stripper you are dating. Its not the stripper that's at fault.
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I think the lying is as much a matter of political perspective as anything.

Put another way, looking for an honest politician is like looking for fidelity from a stripper you are dating. Its not the stripper that's at fault.
OMG!!!! You just managed to put an image of Hilary as a stripper in my mind!!!!

MAKE IT GO AWAY!!!!

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I think the selective outrage you reference was due to the dishonest spin the media and public were fed. Why and how was that even remotely productive ? You likely know better than most how often that does or doesn't happen from a military ops/ intelligence/diplomacy standpoint and I personally doubt one party is more or less culpable (historically) than the other for our previous diplomatic blunders. I think everyone is sick of the repeated investigations and tens of millions spent.
Everyone wants change. Imo the problem or national frustration, is the fortitude/turpitude of the candidates for the job.
I get what you are saying, in many ways it illustrates the very worst part of the current administration-they treat everything as though its a political campaign. The overbloated NSC and the tight control exerted allows for things to get out of hand if the narrative (or the facts) drift from the talking points.

I just think all of it has to be taken in context and it so rarely is when talking politics. You can't swing a dead cat without someone screaming about 4 dead people in Benghazi.

I have numbers too. Mine also starts with four. It just also has a 5, a 0, and a 2 to make 4502-and better yet, it also involves lying.

As far as change goes, we'll see how much change people really want-I'm not sure it's as big a number as its volume connotes. Nov will not come soon enough.
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OMG!!!! You just managed to put an image of Hilary as a stripper in my mind!!!! MAKE IT GO AWAY!!!!
$50k pants suits come off too quickly! Not enough moving parts ;-)
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