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Old May 14th, 2015, 10:48 PM
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Any update on this.. I had some dealings with the and while they bent me over on prices after the fact " they did okay by me.... But they are involved with the guy from savage defenders who I just filed grand theft charges against for taking a customers truck out of my shop without paying the $32,000 bill....and now won't return phone calls etc.. Since he took it in the eyes of the law he is responsible for the whole amount... Grand theft and theft of services..say bye bye immigration visa...
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Old May 15th, 2015, 01:43 AM
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Any update on this.. I had some dealings with the and while they bent me over on prices after the fact " they did okay by me.... But they are involved with the guy from savage defenders who I just filed grand theft charges against for taking a customers truck out of my shop without paying the $32,000 bill....and now won't return phone calls etc.. Since he took it in the eyes of the law he is responsible for the whole amount... Grand theft and theft of services..say bye bye immigration visa...
This post + this whole thread = truth is stranger than fiction
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Old May 15th, 2015, 01:45 AM
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If you have to remake a Carl's Jr. commercial to try to sell your Land Rover Defender... you're doing it wrong.
Haha! Brutal! And your not selling much in the way of bespoke if some of your focus shots are of the fuel gauge and the 3.5! Hot women? Meh. Just another party where someone with a defender got a great parking place and a honey slowly gripping his stick. Blah. ;-)
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Old May 15th, 2015, 08:35 AM
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Without getting into exact words for what Mark told be You bought in January 14 a 2.5 petrol 110 and he also took. Delivery of another truck and a bunch of parts for you and stored it for you. He stored the stuff on only a small deposit from you. He advised he was moving. He advised he was moving in July you still had not paid. So as he was moving his whole business and house he paid to have a company deliver all parts and truck to a shipper and passed on your details. He tried to find parts for you even visited shipping yard. You have been very rude to him and had threaten him so he stopped communicating with you. That's the basics as I have been told. like I've stated before I've bought 20+ Rovers from him and not had the slightest problem.
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Old May 15th, 2015, 08:55 AM
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Derek, despite your comments earlier in the thread, it smells like you're definitely "in the middle" and have some kind of personal/business agenda by throwing yourself into the discussion. Why not suggest to "Mark" that he hug it out with the customer in private or come on here and defend himself? Why do you have to take a side if you weren't involved in the transaction?
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Old May 15th, 2015, 08:58 AM
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Simple:
A) Did Mark receive $30k, the stated payment?
B) Did buyer receive parts as confirmed by delivery receipt at agreed upon location (stateside or at the buyer's shipper or...)?

If A = yes and B = no, Mark is responsible and should immediately return funds.

The discussion of storing parts on a small deposit, moving a business and a house, and dropping off parts with a delivery company to reach a shipper does NOT matter. The burden is on Mark to demonstrate the buyer's receipt of the product at the location agreed upon, if the buyer has documentation of payment.

I could give two shits about Mark, his house, his business, or frankly your past relationship with him. The buyer issued a warning to the forum, you stepped in the middle on dog shit, and now your provide frivolous bullshit about the complexities of Mark's life and mention that the shit smells like roses. You vouch for him. Get on the phone. Connect the two of them. Have Mark release a refund. Wish him my best with his move.


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Without getting into exact words for what Mark told be You bought in January 14 a 2.5 petrol 110 and he also took. Delivery of another truck and a bunch of parts for you and stored it for you. He stored the stuff on only a small deposit from you. He advised he was moving. He advised he was moving in July you still had not paid. So as he was moving his whole business and house he paid to have a company deliver all parts and truck to a shipper and passed on your details. He tried to find parts for you even visited shipping yard. You have been very rude to him and had threaten him so he stopped communicating with you. That's the basics as I have been told. like I've stated before I've bought 20+ Rovers from him and not had the slightest problem.
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Old May 15th, 2015, 09:13 AM
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I suggested he work with him. Mark said he had enough with him. I know nothing of this deal other then what both parties have told me.
I reached out tried to help and one party choose not to work with another. How is that my fault? People wanted what Mark had told me I posted it. I really don't know what else people want.

I just stated my interactions with Mark had be fine over the years.

------ Follow up post added May 15th, 2015 09:14 AM ------

Funny how every goes after the one person that at least made an effort.
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Old May 15th, 2015, 09:19 AM
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Yeah, I would like to see who SAVAGE DEFENDER will be using to do his building now...since he is COMPLETELY mechanically declined and has no facility here this is going to be very interesting...it's nice that he is using my address though...I should have known something was going to run foul when he said that he had to wait for the customer to make the final payment on a car before he could pay me, since he didn't have any money... And he screwed LRUK out of final payments also.. Good luck Lee.. Rest assured I will be doing everything in my power to get my $32,000 worth of aggravation. I will gladly post up the arrest documents as they come available..

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bloody POMS need a dose of Vegemite!
And just like Vegemite, this Aussie is going to leave a strong taste in his mouth, and for the uninitiated, it ain't gonna be pleasant., but it will be memorable...lol..
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Old May 15th, 2015, 09:31 AM
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Without getting into exact words for what Mark told be You bought in January 14 a 2.5 petrol 110 and he also took. Delivery of another truck and a bunch of parts for you and stored it for you. He stored the stuff on only a small deposit from you. He advised he was moving. He advised he was moving in July you still had not paid. So as he was moving his whole business and house he paid to have a company deliver all parts and truck to a shipper and passed on your details. He tried to find parts for you even visited shipping yard. You have been very rude to him and had threaten him so he stopped communicating with you. That's the basics as I have been told. like I've stated before I've bought 20+ Rovers from him and not had the slightest problem.
Hoping this isn't directed at me... I didn't buy a petrol 110 and I have never spoken to them..
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Old May 15th, 2015, 09:34 AM
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It was for Ipitimi. I thought that's who had the problem?
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Old May 15th, 2015, 09:38 AM
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Cool, I just wasn't sure if it was in response to my comment of dealings with them..funnily enough I spoke to the guy at MRM land rover many years ago as it was him who sold my 1988 camel trophy truck to the guy I bought it from and I was tracing some history on it..seemed like a nice enough chap..
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Old May 15th, 2015, 09:44 AM
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Rover shop I've never had a issue with. You do great work!
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Old May 15th, 2015, 09:47 AM
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Thanks Derek..
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Old May 15th, 2015, 09:53 AM
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Thanks for chiming back in Derek. Good back ground on the situation. Once both parties in the midst of conflicting interests are pissed off its hard to find opportunity for sober resolve; its how divorce lawyers make a fortune....

I hope both parties can find an opportunity to mend fence and move on amicably. No likes to loose thousands of dollars and no one wants to be accused of stealing thousands of dollars.

Over the past 15 years I've read hundreds of similar stories on other car and truck forums, and the one lesson learned that keeps surfacing is Caveat Emptor. And, with international transactions even more so. I'm often asked for advise about buying trucks in Central America, my response is simple: use the same set of precautions you would use buying guns and/or cocaine, and, if you are not comfortable with those sorts of transactions, don't do it. While the UK is not Central America, its still outside the US legal system.

The most recent Caveat Emptor saga I've been involved with is the guy who sent $18K to Costa Rica for a restored FJ40 he saw FS on Craigslist, and the Tico never sent it to him and disappeared. The buyer got my name (thru the Land Cruiser community) and asked me if I know a Tico named Roberto who owns a red FJ40 in San Jose...

I know the above situation is different (as it was a straight up rip off), and I'm not putting the OP in same category as the FJ40 guy, but a few ounces, if not pounds, of caution and diplomacy can go a long way to insure a amicable international transaction.
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I never talked to MRM. The guys that did fuck me UK side was Withams....bought a bunch of Sankyes from them in a tender sale. Send mate to pick them up they had tried to send a completely different bunch of rusted out Sankyes vs the nice ones I had bought. Pretty sure they figured cause I was state state side nothing i could do. Luckly my mate knew enough and refused delivery and demanded refund on the spot. Ill never do business with Withams again

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Thanks REDrum. I was just trying to help.
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Old May 15th, 2015, 11:33 AM
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In fairness to Derek, he did try to get these guys connected.

I told Derek this personally and I will post it publicly--Derek did a stand up thing by trying to help. Unfortunately, he is now in the middle for trying to help out, which is kind of unfair. Any flak that Derek is now getting will cause others to think twice about trying to help when they can.

Derek's offer to help should not turn into Derek taking on responsibility for this situation or its outcome.




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Simple:
A) Did Mark receive $30k, the stated payment?
B) Did buyer receive parts as confirmed by delivery receipt at agreed upon location (stateside or at the buyer's shipper or...)?

If A = yes and B = no, Mark is responsible and should immediately return funds.

The discussion of storing parts on a small deposit, moving a business and a house, and dropping off parts with a delivery company to reach a shipper does NOT matter. The burden is on Mark to demonstrate the buyer's receipt of the product at the location agreed upon, if the buyer has documentation of payment.

I could give two shits about Mark, his house, his business, or frankly your past relationship with him. The buyer issued a warning to the forum, you stepped in the middle on dog shit, and now your provide frivolous bullshit about the complexities of Mark's life and mention that the shit smells like roses. You vouch for him. Get on the phone. Connect the two of them. Have Mark release a refund. Wish him my best with his move.
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In fairness to Derek, he did try to get these guys connected.
Any flak that Derek is now getting will cause others to think twice about trying to help when they can. Derek's offer to help should not turn into Derek taking on responsibility for this situation or its outcome.
Agreed!
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Old May 15th, 2015, 12:55 PM
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And that right there is the reason people say at accident sites etc....I didn't see ANYTHING...people don't want to get involved because they stand to be crucified by opposing people.. End result is people tend to turn a blind eye to injustices...
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