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Old June 25th, 2011, 03:53 PM
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Best Land Rover for Africa?

Thoughts on best Rover model to deal with really bad roads, extreme heat/humidity, lack of service centers, etc in southern Africa?
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Old June 25th, 2011, 04:21 PM
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More information is needed as to its intended purpose; i.e., duration of travel, destinations, number of people traveling. Are they "commuter" type trips, camping, hoteling, work, etc.?

The answer could be anything from a rag top D90 to a Foley 6x6 camper.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 06:38 PM
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Living & working in southern Africa. For commuting, travels in the hard to reach spots, lots of driving in very hot, dusty, pot-holed places where there won't be many Rover mechanics. This is not for a single overland offroad adventure, but for day-to-day life. No 6x6, no ragtop. I am not taking my NAS D90 ST for a variety of reasons. For example, I've heard some Rovers handle crummy fuel better than others, have A/C that can't keep the car cool, are the Puma 110s pretty reliable, when compared to a full-size Range Rover, etc... I want thoughts from people who have experience (ie those who have lived in or traveled through Africa or similar).
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Toyota is sounding like your best option.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 06:56 PM
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Likely a D110 5-door or D110 or D130 3-door, crew cab or HCPU depending on how many people and type of work and gear you need to transport.
Diesel engine, R380.
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How long will you be there? That would be a factor in my choice. Short time, then I wouldn't be afraid of having an overly electronic engine but if you will be there for a longer stay I would think a 300 tdi would be your best bet. As for size I guess it depends on your needs. I would think a 90 would be for keeping cool as there is less space that the AC needs to cover as compared to a 110.
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Land Rovers are synonymous with Africa, but the simpler the better. You may want to avoid a Range Rover with air suspension, but a Defender or Series vehicle is a solid choice.
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Toyota is sounding like your best option.
That's what I'm afraid of...
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You may want to read this....

http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...hi-to-Kinshasa

They took a Land Cruiser....
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You may want to read this....

http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...hi-to-Kinshasa

They took a Land Cruiser....
That's the exact article I was thinking about. Their diff and something went at one point and I never heard in their thread of another LR mentioned. Toyotas though, plus mechanics were accustomed or at least aware of the Toyotas because of the UN trucks.
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You may want to read this....

http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...hi-to-Kinshasa

They took a Land Cruiser....
Is that the 6 days reading post ? It's a great story !
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Since you are a LR fan, there is no question you should get a Defender or Discovery diesel. There are plenty of LR's all over Africa as well as mechanics.
I don't really even understand the question. You love Defenders, you're moving to Africa for work, of course you buy a Land Rover. It's simple.
I can only assume that you started this thread just to make the rest of us jealous. follow the lead of Jim C, he's living in Europe and could buy anything and he bought a D110.

Actually my bad, I see now your question is which LR to buy. I got side tracked by all this Toyota gibberish.
110 or Discovery. The Disco will give you more comfort with arguably the same off road ability. 110 looks the part and has more space.
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I had a 1990 D90 that I drove all over NW Africa last year. The truck performed very well in some places that would not even classify as having 'roads.' I didnt have A/C though, that sucked. The D90 performed way better than the Land Cruisers that some folks had.... but they also didnt sweat their a$$es off.
--Note: performed well with poor quality fuel; the land cruisers were a bit more reliable, just couldnt get through some of the rough areas the D90 could
-- If you will be in South Africa (as in the country, not Southern Africa) there will likely be enough European presence to be able to find LR parts
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I was born and grew up in South Africa. My advice - Buy the rattiest Landy you can find or it will get stolen!!! You will need some kind of cooling system otherwise prepare to "sweat bullets" in the heat (SA'can saying). Battery operated fans were the in thing when I was still living there - that and a bottle of ice water did the trick.
Plenty of junk yards for parts - We used to love going to them hunting for LR treasures - obviously it's been a few years so that might have changed, and unless you're out in the 'bundus' (bush) there is an abundance of LR service shops . Diesel is preferable, but petrol is not in short supply - unless you plan a trip to Zimbabwe. I agree with George, simple is best. My friend still lives in Cape Town and owns a D110. I'd be happy to put you in touch for first hand advice.
It is a beautiful country with amazing people. You will love it.
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According to this: http://www.amazon.com/Working-Wild-R.../dp/0837610400 , only Series or 300 TDI or earlier Defenders need apply.
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Spent Jan- Mar in Tanzania last year. Had an 83 n/a diesel 110 that performed admirably. Why spoil yourself with complicated systems like a/c when the windows slide open? it's still going to be hot and sticky when you get out of the car.
Safari roof is a plus.
One time, broke an injector pipe- a previous owner's repair included not refitting the pipe brackets so it shook itself to fracture- between Moshi and Arusha. Didn't speak the language, had a small tool kit, limped back to a fuel station. The local whistled, a kid came running over, took the pieces, jumped into a dala-dala, came back 45 minutes later with a welded up pipe. Charged me 300 Tanzania shillings. Plus I bought Cokes for everyone. Cost in dollars: about 3.
Out of the "cities" where Land Cruiser and D110's rule, the 109 Series 3 Truck Cabs were everywhere.

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I thought this thread was a trick question.
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You may want to read this....

http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...hi-to-Kinshasa

They took a Land Cruiser....
Absolutely awesome. I stumbled across that when Doug posted it here... I didn't do a whole lot of work that day.
The authors even did a webinar a few months ago where they took questions.
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Personal choice would be a 110 regular with hardtop with side windows ROW LHD 300tdi with AC.
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Here's "my" 110 on my way to "work" last year:
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