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Old January 28th, 2009, 01:49 PM
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Badger and the amazing Muff

After a few weeks of driving in the cold and a week with a Pizza box in front of the radiator I need a solution. I called the one the only Badger Coach Works and spoke to Chris. After a very short wait the UPS truck showed up with another great Badger creation. Anyone needing a Grill Muff for a 300TDI with a factory intercooler I recommend the same type he made for me. See the pics it is VERY nice.
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Old January 28th, 2009, 01:59 PM
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Are there straps or buttons to keep it rolled up when you want it up?
The snow and ice around here would just pile up and roll the velcro down at speed when it gets ice on top of it. Neat idea.
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Old January 28th, 2009, 02:12 PM
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Are there straps or buttons to keep it rolled up when you want it up?
The snow and ice around here would just pile up and roll the velcro down at speed when it gets ice on top of it. Neat idea.
It only has velcro to hold it up but if it is below 35-40 out it will be down all the way on my truck. 300TDI's are COLD running Diesels (or at least mine is).

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Old January 28th, 2009, 02:34 PM
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It only has velcro to hold it up but if it is below 35-40 out it will be down all the way on my truck. 300TDI's are COLD running Diesels (or at least mine is).

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Trust me... I know how cold Tdis run... this is Maine remember
I run my muff closed fully when it is f'ing cold, but if it gets above 32 F or so I have to open it some or it starts to heat up on the highway. I like the open intercooler side. I know in my situation here (with all the snow and ice and temps that vary wildly day to day) The snaps that hold it open, without fear of it rolling back down, are great.
A couple snaps or other device to make it absolutely stay where you set it and it would be a perfect product.
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Old January 28th, 2009, 05:26 PM
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The snaps can be added if needed. Peter has put the tdi grill cover through it's paces and it seems the velcro works well. I am also running a grill cover for a Stage I style grill and there have been no issues with the velcro. The velcro (hook and loop) gives you adjustability on the opening.

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I know I need to contact you off-forum, but I need to get a full soft top and surrey top, as well as seat covers ordered for my '97 ST. I had a set of your seat covers on my '94 ST that I had and they were incredible! Could you please PM me or email me with availability? I have been busy the last two weeks with my grandfather-he has been fighting cancer and is in hospice. I will be getting in touch with you no later than the next two weeks to order.

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Old January 28th, 2009, 05:59 PM
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Radiator muffs do nothing if your thermostat is working correctly. And, yes, I know what cold is......

The thermostat should shut of tightly and if it does that, the muff does nothing useful.

Check your thermostat, it is cheaper.
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That is beautiful. Nicely executed.
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Radiator muffs do nothing if your thermostat is working correctly. And, yes, I know what cold is......

The thermostat should shut of tightly and if it does that, the muff does nothing useful.

Check your thermostat, it is cheaper.

What we are using muffs for is to get enough engine temp to actually keep open the correctly working thermostat, that sounds counter-productive to more heat, but follw along... Without the muff, where I live, the engine runs so cold that it rarely opens the correctly working thermostat. If it does open, the radiator is so super cooled that it basically immediately closes the thermostat and the engine tries to build heat again. So the muff "tricks" the engine into working up enough temp, and keeping it, by reducing air flow over the radiator. Sort of like taking the radiator out of the mix to "overheat" the engine. In a V8 and such this is a very bad thing, but in a diesel it works to keep enough engine temp to offer cabin heat at highway speeds (at idle it will cool off and you'll freeze again). A correctly working thermostat is part of the mix, but a correctly working thermostat and good condition radiator where I live can mean the engine never stays hot enough to offer heat. With the muff the engine comes to temp, stays there and you can get some cabin heat.
30 million dump trucks can't be wrong.

If you want to be cheap cardboard works too. Even my new 2009 F350 came with a radiator muff.
This isn't snake-oil.
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Old January 28th, 2009, 09:27 PM
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Radiator muffs do nothing if your thermostat is working correctly. And, yes, I know what cold is......

The thermostat should shut of tightly and if it does that, the muff does nothing useful.

Check your thermostat, it is cheaper.
I had already changed the Thermostat and changed the coolant and flushed the cooling system. The engine does not produce heat well at all so any air I can stop cooling it is a good thing.

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Same here. I have a RN muff that is fully closed right now and the Tdi does not get good heat till you get on the skinny pedal on the highway. I like the open intercooler side as well. Maybe Chris can mod mine to have an open area.
As for idling on a trail or the winter romp, I would freeze my feet off. I froze a while back at our last Paragon trip in February. I don't know what the answer is for heat at idle.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 12:43 AM
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I can't bring it upon myself to modify a Rovers North product.
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I can't bring it upon myself to modify a Rovers North product.
Hehe sure you can its called replacing with a Badger one
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Same here. I have a RN muff that is fully closed right now and the Tdi does not get good heat till you get on the skinny pedal on the highway. I like the open intercooler side as well. Maybe Chris can mod mine to have an open area.
As for idling on a trail or the winter romp, I would freeze my feet off. I froze a while back at our last Paragon trip in February. I don't know what the answer is for heat at idle.
For heat at idle on the trail and for the morning warm up I carry one of these:

http://www.mrheater.com/productdetai...catid=41&id=24


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@ highway speed my tdi is indicating 170-175 degree's F. Doesn't the thermostat open @ 180 ?
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After a few weeks of driving in the cold and a week with a Pizza box in front of the radiator I need a solution. I called the one the only Badger Coach Works and spoke to Chris. After a very short wait the UPS truck showed up with another great Badger creation. Anyone needing a Grill Muff for a 300TDI with a factory intercooler I recommend the same type he made for me. See the pics it is VERY nice.
Not to throw in a completely senseless retort, but my wife saw this thread headline and was personally offended.. "So that's what you mean by Rover Porn/Pron.." Maybe it's a bad Wisconsin reference (she's from there).
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I can't bring it upon myself to modify a Rovers North product.

lol.. dammit Chris. you know i'm your biggest fan. maybe i can UPGRADE to the Badger unit..


Eric, I like that but will I burn my truck to the pavement?? lol
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Eric, I like that but will I burn my truck to the pavement?? lol
Well if it does I have parts

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