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Old December 11th, 2016, 09:01 AM
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It is originally a NAS ST, we have the complete cage to put it back on in the spring. He personally thinks the truck looks cleaner without the cage on the SW. I bought one and he wanted a light bar instead. So we just put blanking plates on with the wagon configuration.
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Old December 11th, 2016, 09:06 AM
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Brian, what kind of truck could one expect for ~$80k from you? And what about for $120k?
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Old December 11th, 2016, 09:18 AM
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That truck has about a $75k restoration and $38k in the motor and Trans. Short answer 80k would be really nice, $120 would be super nice... In my eyes, the difference in the two would only be in the finishing work. Ie anodized hinges, autobiography headlights, fancier wheels and tires... That stuff adds up really quickly, we have one truck right now that is gonna be on the north end of a $150k. That gray 90 has about 10k just in the stereo, and exterior LED lighting.
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Old December 11th, 2016, 09:56 AM
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My whole thing with Arkonik is that you could spend that money with someone like Brian, for example, and get an awesome build with desirable components. Not some ribbed roof 2.5 NA turd with a spray painted engine bay.
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Old December 11th, 2016, 10:44 AM
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I fully believe in supporting our local businesses! Safari does great work along with many other shops, with that there are a lot of shops to watch out for as well. So when building a truck there will always be some level of risk, so do your homework. Check out different shops, check out their builds, test drive different trucks so you can manage your expectations. Arkonik makes really nice builds, I have seen a couple in person. The problem I have is the lack of attention to detail. The one I saw that is listed by the third owner within a year for $130k doesn't even have dome lights that turn on when the doors open, they have them on a switch but that to me is crazy. The rest of the truck is really nice, I am not a fan of the bolt on fancy crap but to each their own.
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Old December 11th, 2016, 11:38 AM
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I fully believe in supporting our local businesses! Safari does great work along with many other shops, with that there are a lot of shops to watch out for as well. So when building a truck there will always be some level of risk, so do your homework. Check out different shops, check out their builds, test drive different trucks so you can manage your expectations. Arkonik makes really nice builds, I have seen a couple in person. The problem I have is the lack of attention to detail. The one I saw that is listed by the third owner within a year for $130k doesn't even have dome lights that turn on when the doors open, they have them on a switch but that to me is crazy. The rest of the truck is really nice, I am not a fan of the bolt on fancy crap but to each their own.
And to build on what Brewie said (a statement in shocked I'm making). Do not go by marketing hype. We live in a world where an idiot can take a picture of a hamburger at Chili's and stick it on Instagram and suddenly everyone thinks it's amazing. There are many new rover companies that are spending more time marketing than building and people are flocking to them because they bought into the nonsense.

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Old December 11th, 2016, 11:45 AM
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How is anything less than PERFECT acceptable when paying more than what the truck is worth new? Seriously, 80k for a really nice truck, not throwing stones or accusing anyone of shoddy work, but please explain how any thing less than flawless is acceptable
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Old December 11th, 2016, 11:49 AM
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To far Barry? Sending you yours from Xmas
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Old December 11th, 2016, 11:52 AM
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How is anything less than PERFECT acceptable when paying more than what the truck is worth new? Seriously, 80k for a really nice truck, not throwing stones or accusing anyone of shoddy work, but please explain how any thing less than flawless is acceptable
When I say really nice truck I mean stock configurations, no major up grades. Of course building a truck is gonna cost way more for a shop like myself then the manufacture. They built a couple million and the tooling never changed, I have to have parts manufactured or brought in from thousands of miles away. You cannot compare. Standards are a variable that fluctuates person to person...
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Old December 11th, 2016, 12:04 PM
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So for 80k I'm getting a stock truck and yes it is fair to compare, as the attention to detail and work done by a custom shop should be well beyond that of the factory. So your saying if someone is ok with orange peel paint and poorly fitted doors that's it's ok to do that level work and charge 80k?

This is not directed as a attack, so please don't take this wrong...
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Old December 11th, 2016, 12:15 PM
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Like I said standards are a variable that changes from person to person. We spray everything individually for all our projects. Typically we strip everything down to raw metal. When we are done there is a little orange peel in the paint. Our customers pay for our process and the finished work if not up to their standard we can spend more time cutting and polishing so to make the final paint look like glass. As long as the customer is happy to pay, we are happy to do the work. The gray 90 has come back to the shop for us to refine the truck to the customers standards, something that Arkonik cannot do for all customers. I don't know how other shops do there work... I am only worried about our own, and we have been refining our process for the past three years.
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Old December 11th, 2016, 12:20 PM
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Talking about budgets is not a reasonable way to look at this, reason why I am sayin this is because it is a case by case situation. If the truck can be repurposed with no replacement parts then the parts list will be low if any. But our build we are currently working on almost everything has been replaced except for the chassis, motor and Trans... Everything else was has been replaced, and buying a trucks' worth of parts piece by piece is very expensive.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 08:47 AM
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Jays-us, the cost to rebuild these pups makes that $160k NAS 110 seem very reasonable.
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So once again, not meant as a attack on you, but seriously, mediocre paint is ok when dropping 80k on a truck BUT you'll "fix it" if the customer is willing to pay for it?

Yes, you have to look at each one on a case by case basis, but you are generalizing that if you only spend 80k, you get a "nice truck". So do I get shitty paint when I drop 120k?

Remind why again that this is ok when paying a shop to restore a truck?
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Old December 12th, 2016, 11:22 AM
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So once again, not meant as a attack on you, but seriously, mediocre paint is ok when dropping 80k on a truck BUT you'll "fix it" if the customer is willing to pay for it?

Yes, you have to look at each one on a case by case basis, but you are generalizing that if you only spend 80k, you get a "nice truck". So do I get shitty paint when I drop 120k?

Remind why again that this is ok when paying a shop to restore a truck?
Probably because on an 80k truck the proportion spent on paint and prep is the same as a quick repaint at mako .... the rest goes on eBay grade light bars, leather covered everything ... 5" lift kit ... big wheels and a tick in the box of every 'enhancement' Khan makes ... all slapped together with brit part rubbers ... and rhino liner over the rust ... not forgetting the obvious sound system and winch that's not been connected up .... that's why.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 01:27 PM
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I didn't take pictures of the imperfections before selling it.

I didn't lose money on it because the flea-bay market is still running strong.

I tried to cancel my order after joining defender source and reading the reviews from everyone. They would not let me cancel even though they hadn't started my vehicle by the date it was originally to be delivered.

What's even more entertaining is that after throwing a childish fit they said they had sourced my Defender. I saved the pictures to my iPhone. As you know sometimes encryption in these photos maintains an original date, time, and location. Well I'm happy to report this occurred. Tom sent me 5 month old pictures. And then thought I wouldn't realize that the picture I had was a base red body. And the body from my portal pictures was mostly black or green.

I knew what was coming but hoped that since members had been to arkonik that things would get better.

I realize someone on here doesn't know me from the next guy. Just speaking what I know many on here wanted to know.

The process seems rushed and there is continually a lot of turnover within their organization. I wouldn't do it again and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

My father owned a GM dealership for 27 years. I've seen it all. I'm not anywhere as talented as some of you out there. Nor do I have the time to tackle an overhaul myself. I would just like some of you to know questioning if I knew what to look for I did. I went to Auctions regularly.

I just felt that I would do diligence and heed warning for anyone out there thinking of going this route.
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At our agents in Texas a paint job on a 110 5 door costs between $12,000 and $18,000.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 02:19 PM
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At our agents in Texas a paint job on a 110 5 door costs between $12,000 and $18,000.
Very helpful and relevant. The pictures of your work also are helpful.

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Old December 12th, 2016, 02:57 PM
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Gotcha Julian, but back to the "nice truck" for "80k"...I would think 10k is in the budget for a paint job as part of the "basic" package
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Gotcha Julian, but back to the "nice truck" for "80k"...I would think 10k is in the budget for a paint job as part of the "basic" package
Its not my work, but the company is called Precision Auto Body, of Austin in Texas, feel free to look them up if you want your Defender, Ferrari, Lamborghini, or Maserati repaired or painted!

------ Follow up post added December 12th, 2016 08:54 PM ------

Most people don't know just how much parts goes in to some builds, i just did a quote for a chap and the parts for his build came to over $70,000 with no labour and no profit.
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