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Old November 30th, 2015, 08:13 PM
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So since y'all dragged me into this…I'll ask my question. Where are all the photos of the shop and all?
Thinking there will be a professionally produced infomercial released in short time.
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Thinking there will be a professionally produced infomercial released in short time.
They should get the guy who does the Icon ones. Those are awesome.
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They were specifically not to disclose pics of the shop...ECR has spies...lol..
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I'm still not sure why I always get dragged into all these conversations, but if you wanna see my shop it is here:
You guys get dragged into this because you set the bar and every restoration shop thinks they will be the next ECR.

I'm really glad you chimed in about water leaks.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 08:19 PM
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I think that regardless of who paid for it ..these 3 guys have been a staple in this community and I'll bet my last dollar that their opinions and thoughts on arkonic can't be bought or biased..
Yeah, made it clear my opinion was they were not biased. Just wanted to clear the air.

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oh yeah...forgot about that..

Sorry thought the terms of the trip were common knowledge by now.

Flight and a few nights hotel were paid for by Arkonik...i paid most of my expenses and hotel for the remainder of the week. All told i spent close to 2k for the week i was over there. Not all expenses paid and certainly not my idea of a vacation. For a guy that commutes coast to coast for work free ticket and few nights hotel don't mean shit to me.. Trust me i was ready to get over there and go all John Quinones on the guy but the truth is its a legit business building blingy trucks that have no personal appeal to me but apparently there are plenty of people over here that like that kind of thing.
"Common Knowledge" and "Black and White" are two different things to someone who comes here 2 months later on a Google Search, hence why I asked. Glad you guys did it, and it was a good group they (Arkonik) picked.
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Actually to be honest, I did not expect to find an operation on the level of what we saw. I was expecting to see maybe a little bit more of a primative facility, outsourcing of motor work & paintwork, and not nearly the organization or infrastructure that we witnessed. Not that there would be anything really wrong with the aforementioned, as some of the best mom & pop shops churn out great work.
Sounds like they
have either turned around their operation or put up
a good front. If
you do math of average UK salary for 30 guys they only
need to sell 8 $150k vehicles to cover that. Obviously more
expenses exist so they'd have to do more business to cover

shop, taxes, etc. Remember
Urban Land Cruisers? I
can't predict what will happen, nobody
knows, but your guys overall review was
somewhat similar to how I described ULC after they

did work for me. About a year later
I regretted having recommended them because they
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keep it together. Time and any future disgruntled buyers' posts will tell.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 08:43 PM
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Anyway. Thanks for the review. Are they planning any US branch of their business? The whole concept of taking you guys out there is kind of neat when you think about how much money real companies spend of PR and advertising. They seem serious. But I think the reaction in the other thread is mostly from all everybody knows of them are their past issues. So it's natural for the response to be skeptical.
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To be perfectly honest with you all skeptical is what we (all 3) were, and not to mention unbiased and objective. We made it infinitely clear that while Andy was paying for our flights, plus hotels he is not "buying an endorsement". Like John said, we footed a lot of the expense ourselves.

Some of you have asked if I would buy one of their trucks - the answer is absolutely not, not because of quality of the work - just because I would never spend that amount of money on a Defender. BUT, if you ask if I would be happy to endorse their work and feel like they do a great job...then unequivocally it is a YES...for all the reasons we have all stated.

Frankly, I feel as if my integrity is still in good shape after the write up and our experience. My liver, well that is another story for the campfire...remember to ask ... we do have some good stories.

And thanks to those who have given the three of us a thumbs up.
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Reckon I can name at least Five Rover resto facilities in New England, and a bunch more that focus on mechanical first then bodywork as necessary.
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So since y'all dragged me into this…I'll ask my question.

Where are all the photos of the shop and all?
Pics...pretty much some quick panos I took around various parts of the shop, and a couple of the outside of the building/yard.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 09:18 PM
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Pics...pretty much some quick panos I took around various parts of the shop, and a couple of the outside of the building/yard.

Pics always prove it happened.

Lets hope these guys stay around longer than British Bulldog. (See how many of you old farts get that reference).
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Old November 30th, 2015, 09:20 PM
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Sounds like they have either turned around their operation or put up a good front. If you do math of average UK salary for 30 guys they only need to sell 8 $150k vehicles to cover that. Obviously more expenses exist so they'd have to do more business to cover
shop, taxes, etc. Remember Urban Land Cruisers? I can't predict what will happen, nobody
knows, but your guys overall review was somewhat similar to how I described ULC after they
did work for me. About a year later I regretted having recommended them because they
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Anyway. Thanks for the review. Are they planning any US branch of their business? The whole concept of taking you guys out there is kind of neat when you think about how much money real companies spend of PR and advertising. They seem serious. But I think the reaction in the other thread is mostly from all everybody knows of them are their past issues. So it's natural for the response to be skeptical.

Matthew I'm with you...and just to make sure I'm clear, the absolute most important thing here to be frank - is making sure the U.S. customers are treated properly, and get a proper product.

I had not seen ULC's operation, but I'm not sure he was as organized and professional as what we saw (again just guessing, and from what I heard). Also, the main difference I would bet are the people that ULC employed - I would doubt they had any folks on staff as committed to Rovers as some of the people we spoke with. Besides the fact that a fair share of these guys actually drive Rovers to work, they had a bunch that would go out and go wheeling/etc. They also had one guy on staff (that I kept calling the 'Rainman of Rovers' : ) that would take the parts manual home on the weekend to read it...READ IT!
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Old November 30th, 2015, 09:33 PM
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What really turned me off in the other thread was Andy himself. He made a lot of exaggerated claims and when confronted refused to admit it. When directly asked about issues with the trucks, he danced around the subject. He came across as a typical used car salesman. Any and all BS to get a sale and make you happy. Hopefully he is just the problem and not a representation of the way the company is operated.

I'm with Charles though. The proof is in the pudding. Let's see some happy owners. All I've seen are unhappy ones.
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Here is my final take away thought on this whole thing... A number of you have said its clever of Andy to bring us over in the hopes that we would validate his operation and he would generate more business because of it... I don't think thats his angle and if it was I think he will be disappointed. his customers are not on this forum.

By and large the trucks he builds don't appeal to those of us on this board. Im still having nightmares of seeing a little 75hp 19J with a power steering pump, huge alternator and a/c compressor bolted to it! but if you want to legally import a 1988 diesel defender thats what you're going to get.

I think the true benefit to Andy is two fold...

Firstly, he was given the benefit of having 3 hard core American (wannabe in Jonesy's case) enthusiasts picking his operation apart for a week and telling him what and how he could improve and do differently.. And i tell you it was relentless.. After the first couple days he must of thought it was a huge mistake to bring us there. This was my first time meeting and spending time with Lav and man he was a dog with a bone on some of these builds.. but that benefit is only realized if he takes the advice to heart.


And secondly and i think the most important benefit to Arkonik of our visit is that we are able to confirm that there are 30 plus people hardworking people in the south of England that you would gladly be sharing beers with after a day on the trail.

They've been demoralized by what they are reading on this board. Its got to be really hard to be passionate about these trucks and what you do only to come home at night to read that people think you are crooks and con men and your work is sub par. From what we witnessed that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Pics always prove it happened. Lets hope these guys stay around longer than British Bulldog. (See how many of you old farts get that reference).
Great point! Went to their shop before it got weird, and I think I have the '98?!? national rally tee shirt with their logo on it- I'll have to dig it up.

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What really turned me off in the other thread was Andy himself.
Agreed. Why is it that we can't stand so many of the frontmen for these shops? (ECR/Safari excluded, of course).

Either way, Lav's opinion is more than enough for me.
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you're just pissed because you owe me dinner....two weeks and this truck still hasn't sold.

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