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That oil burner will eat a huge hole in your pocketbook! In addition to heat, geothermal provides A/C (at almost no cost).
I know. My current house has oil and I keep it 50 degrees in winter.

You guys are giving me some confidence as your estimates are like half mine.
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Good for you for trying to keep things original.

I grew up in big old pre-1900 houses...and will NEVER buy one myself :-)
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Good for you for trying to keep things original.

I grew up in big old pre-1900 houses...and will NEVER buy one myself :-)
Yep these modern houses suck ... I prefer old ones! ;-)
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Yep these modern houses suck ... I prefer old ones! ;-)

Isn't you idea of old a little different than ours???
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indeed it is ...

The school I went to was founded in 1498 ... so yes my idea of old starts at about 300 years. I have friends who live in houses dating back to 1300 ... and we had churches around where i live in the UK over 1000 years old.
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Go on PBS.org and start watching "This Old House" episodes. Focus on the houses that are of the same time period as yours. Most of what I learned, I learned from watching that show from when I was a kid. Dont know how proper it is but you could always just snake your phone/data/media lines via a tube from the basement using a common wall thats goes through all the floors? Not sure if you if you can do the same including an electrical line.
First thing first I would get someone to look over your foundation due to age/neglect and the trees growing so close to the house. Sometimes it best to go with crews that done work with public resto jobs on historic buildings or guys of the Amish persuasion.
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First thing first I would get someone to look over your foundation due to age/neglect and the trees growing so close to the house. Sometimes it best to go with crews that done work with public resto jobs on historic buildings or guys of the Amish persuasion.
If it's anything like the house I grew up in, the foundation is probably made of moderate to large to huge rocks with some type of binder to hold them together. It's amazing how resilient those old foundations are.

Ron, let's see a pic or two already - at least the barn (assuming it has one)!
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Yep these modern houses suck ... I prefer old ones! ;-)
Not for me....already planning the next new build.
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Keep the emotion out of it... Think of it as a business deal until you sign the paperwork.

I would get estimates from contractors do to what needs to be done, before you make an offer and then double them. They always find other issues when digging into a big project like this.

If you can do some of the work yourself, all the better.
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thats how i describe defender ownership to people who ask ...
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I have seen the money pit multiple times. Foundation is very solid as are the walls. Roof is slate and does not appear to be actively leaking although it has clearly leaked in the past.

I don't really have pics as it is not on MLS yet. I can drive over and get some from the outside. I watch this old house religiously, but I have not seen them do a house quite like this (most of the ones they do are stick frame and smaller not a giant hunk of rock).

It does have a small barn.

The only reason I am looking seriously at the house is that it should sell very cheap for what it is and where it is.
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If it's not on MLS then you may not have a realtor, but if you do, your realtor may have contacts for clients who have purchased through them in the past, and you may luck out with someone who has bought a similar home and had similar work done that you intend on doing. Best thing you can do is get a contractor who is recommended from others, plus you can pick the homeowner's brain on the work completed and a ballpark on cost.
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I hate realtors. Most around here suck. It has a listing agent who is ok, but is not really an old house guy.

I checked all the this old house projects. Nothing like this one.
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Huh, I do remember them working on some old houses with large stone foundations from the past few years. There is another show with a contractor comes in and fixes what was fucked up by previous contractors, etc. Think his show is on the DIY network. Guy is Canadian and films mostly in Canada, but still sound advice and work that his crew does. Cant remember his name at the moment.
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No different than a land rover (2x the cost, 2x the time to complete but 2x less fun

I rewired 1800sq Ft for $5k and should have taken the higher bid.

And you probably want to pull out the old stuff too I didnt
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Huh, I do remember them working on some old houses with large stone foundations from the past few years. There is another show with a contractor comes in and fixes what was fucked up by previous contractors, etc. Think his show is on the DIY network. Guy is Canadian and films mostly in Canada, but still sound advice and work that his crew does. Cant remember his name at the moment.
Holmes on homes is the canadian. They work on houses with stone foundations all the time (nothing appears to be wrong with the foundation), but they don't seem to have done a stone house (the house is stone from top to bottom).
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You will need a good budget for alcohol. You will need to stay well lubricated. Keep your knees bent.
Dont bend over while a contractor is in the same room, they cant help themselves.

Seriously, find a good plumber and electrician. You will be shocked by what new windows will cost. But, if you want to stay warm, you will need to spend the money. Image your worst possible cost, then triple it.
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It's not the most fun thing to do, it's cool at first but it all gets old. I've redone with my father the kitchen completely along with a bathroom, and a basement and various other crap in other rooms. If you live in the house and redo the kitchen it will get stressful real quick, no way to really cook meals, or clean dishes, intrudes on other rooms in the house. A few tips besides knowing a good electrician would be when you are demo'ing do not go crazy and just hammering away, take sheetrock down in as big a clunk as possible. Demo makes a huge mess that has to always be cleaned up. You need to also understand the magnitude and cost of the project at hand, they usually cost alot of time and money. The work really isn't too hard to do, just generally labor intensive. Also the tools are very important, you want a good quality brand tool.

I'm no pro or anything, but I have done my own fair bit of renovations. Good luck!
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Ha. I hope you drink and if you do, stock up on the best. I got into old homes due to my wife and I do all of the work except finish carpentry. Anyway our place was built in 1786 and the 1820's. Original Rufus porter murals, knob and tube, fieldstone foundations, the works. As I said, drink and find the best tradesmen you can. Just like your many rovers, be prepared to wrench.

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I have re-finished a BUNCH of older homes from the 30's and then from the late 1800's. It is going to be a lot more expensive than building a new home. You need to like the quirky aspects of the place. If the walls are plaster lath then you may find the nails have rusted and the whole wall will start giving away once you start to try to work on a particular area. I would tear out the old moldings being careful with them so that you can re-use them. Then rip everything out and start fresh. This gives you the opportunity to run all new wiring and cat 5. You can also make chases to start to run new plumbing. There are many ways, as described previously, to get the job done in other ways but everything else will not be as good. In my experience just because it is old doesn't mean it was made well. I have seen many older homes, USA old that is, that were built like Poo. But I have seen some new houses but just as bad. Generally, however, new construction is far superior to anything built in the day.
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