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Old June 22nd, 2015, 03:03 PM
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What's an automatic? I've only owned one.
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A buddy of mine in college daily drove an original '48 international harvester KB1. 4 speed double clutch...was fun to drive.
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 03:22 PM
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The manual transmission is only fairly rare in North America. Elsewhere its like 80% manual transmission. Now that automatics are getting more efficient, that is probably starting to change.
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Reminds me of how my old man made me learn how to drive on a mid 60's GMC 3/4 ton - 4 speed manual and no power steering. If I was backing up I had to use the mirrors otherwise I would get a flick to the arm. But like he said if I could drive that thing I could drive most anything.

Makes me sad seeing so many less manuals on new cars. If I think of the best drives I have had its always been in a manual: high speed runs in the S4 coming back home from VT and OH, taking my father in laws 996 convert for a spin in Key Largo, driving the Saab 900 all over New England and NYC, and bringing the 90 to different spots to wheel. On the flip side the Suburban has covered way more miles but the drives sort of blend into each other.
I learned how to drive in my Dad's '69 Ford F150 with 3 on the tree ( I was 9 years old and the truck was 6)

It's funny what you mentioned about the miles blending together with an automatic!! We drove our 110 to Alaska (from Alabama) and the trip will always be one that's extremely well remembered!! We did it again in '13 in a brand new Ford Raptor (and while it's a cool truck), I can't hardly tell a single memorable event from the entire trip - that's sad...
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 03:42 PM
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I first learned on a 3 in the tree. My next lesson was on snow and ice.

But if you can start up on a steep incline with a manual, you are king of the hill. I've seen that to be a big challenge for many people here in Austin.
I also started on a stick and had been driving for almost two years when I took drivers ed and had to drive an automatic. I'll never forget one time in drivers ed I went to shift gears and stomped the brake pedal (they are wider in an automatic) and everyone in the car flew forward. needless to say, the instructor was not happy. Only automatic I've ever owned was an '84 Laredo appropriately named the "ja'heap"
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 04:39 PM
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Never fell asleep driving a manual!

But I did almost blow up my engine when I shifted out of gear with the cruise control still engaged on the Porsche.
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 05:21 PM
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But I did almost blow up my engine when I shifted out of gear with the cruise control still engaged on the Porsche.
Was it a 964 by chance?
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 05:30 PM
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Was it a 964 by chance?
Close. Same era. It was a 951 (944 turbo)
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More Salt in the wound..
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I'm staying in a hotel this week for work, and the valet has a warning on my key tag that says: *STICK* I guess even the valet business doesn't require this skill of their employees anymore.
HS buddy of my college undergrads son got a summer job as a Valet Parker only because he can drive a stick
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Old July 7th, 2015, 08:27 AM
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I can't text, selfie, drink a Frappuccino, and flip you off if I have to shift. Plus, the dealer says that I'm .5 seconds quicker to 60 than a manual which is super important to me as I sit in gridlock.
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Old July 7th, 2015, 09:27 AM
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I can't text, selfie, drink a Frappuccino, and flip you off if I have to shift. Plus, the dealer says that I'm .5 seconds quicker to 60 than a manual which is super important to me as I sit in gridlock.
Its okay, they are working on the self driving cars for your type..
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My goal is manual transmission for my kids.
It will make them drive, not text!
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Old July 7th, 2015, 01:59 PM
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Saw that as part of the other crash thread.

IMO - cars are just getting too boring. Honestly I'll take a simple 200HP car with a 5 speed gearbox over a electro-gadget high-HP modern day "sports" car. Really - where the hell are you going to use 600HP anyway? And you might as well drive a damn electric if you can't blip the throttle.
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Saw that as part of the other crash thread.

IMO - cars are just getting too boring. Honestly I'll take a simple 200HP car with a 5 speed gearbox over a electro-gadget high-HP modern day "sports" car. Really - where the hell are you going to use 600HP anyway? And you might as well drive a damn electric if you can't blip the throttle.
I've been saying this for years! Cars are so incredibly boring now. It made me sad to see why Consumer Reports gave the Tesla S their highest marks. Let's also not forget how all of these new safety features make drivers lazy, which is more dangerous than simply paying attention. The scariest car I ever drove was a Mercedes S 500 because it's TOO soft; I was doing 90 and thinking it was 60.

I have two dream cars: a D90 and a Porsche 993 4S not just because of their looks, but because they were the height of engineering and pleasurable driving. OK, maybe the engineering thing is more about the P-car (and I also love the lack of cup holder). But the sounds, smells, heaviness of the clutch, shoulder-popping long throw etc. make them a glorious visceral experience. I'd rather have either one of those than a brand new mushy-feeling whatever at twice the price.

I'm 31, learned on a 5 speed, have never had an automatic, and I still won't give it up. Being in Atlanta, I've driven in some pretty thick traffic too.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 04:18 PM
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... Honestly I'll take a simple 200HP car with a 5 speed gearbox over a electro-gadget high-HP modern day "sports" car. Really - where the hell are you going to use 600HP anyway?
I do believe Mazda (Miata) and Subaru/Scion (BRZ/FR-S) have you covered at least (I know, not quite 200 bhp, but close)...

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I'm 31, learned on a 5 speed, have never had an automatic, and I still won't give it up. Being in Atlanta, I've driven in some pretty thick traffic too.
I'm not keen on the idea of having to give it up either, but every year the choices available with a manual gearbox get smaller and smaller. About the only vehicles left are some sports cars (and I mean SOME), and some BMW Sedans..

We currently have an E53 X5, the first auto we have ever owned. Its a nice car, but I really wish we could have found one with a stick, but it was a needle in a haystack, and that hasn't been available since 2006..

Would like an LR3/LR4, but again, no manual gearbox options in stateside Land Rovers since the 1997 Discovery ..

DID I MENTION I DON'T LIKE THIS TREND?!?
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I do believe Mazda (Miata) and Subaru/Scion (BRZ/FR-S) have you covered at least (I know, not quite 200 bhp, but close)... I'm not keen on the idea of having to give it up either, but every year the choices available with a manual gearbox get smaller and smaller. About the only vehicles left are some sports cars (and I mean SOME), and some BMW Sedans.. We currently have an E53 X5, the first auto we have ever owned. Its a nice car, but I really wish we could have found one with a stick, but it was a needle in a haystack, and that hasn't been available since 2006.. Would like an LR3/LR4, but again, no manual gearbox options in stateside Land Rovers since the 1997 Discovery .. DID I MENTION I DON'T LIKE THIS TREND?!?
Thanks for the Mazda / Subaru mentions. But if I ever get a car it's going to be something older like a BMW E36 M3 sedan or Audi B5 1.8T. Or even older like a classic Saab 900T.

And I bet the LR3/4 would be pretty enjoyable to drive with a manual gearbox.

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I've been saying this for years! Cars are so incredibly boring now. It made me sad to see why Consumer Reports gave the Tesla S their highest marks. Let's also not forget how all of these new safety features make drivers lazy, which is more dangerous than simply paying attention. The scariest car I ever drove was a Mercedes S 500 because it's TOO soft; I was doing 90 and thinking it was 60. I have two dream cars: a D90 and a Porsche 993 4S not just because of their looks, but because they were the height of engineering and pleasurable driving. OK, maybe the engineering thing is more about the P-car (and I also love the lack of cup holder). But the sounds, smells, heaviness of the clutch, shoulder-popping long throw etc. make them a glorious visceral experience. I'd rather have either one of those than a brand new mushy-feeling whatever at twice the price. I'm 31, learned on a 5 speed, have never had an automatic, and I still won't give it up. Being in Atlanta, I've driven in some pretty thick traffic too.
Wish I could say the same about not having an automatic. I can say we have always had 1 manual car in the driveway but need the auto SUV's for the family.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 11:30 PM
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A really fun manual is the Fiat 500 Arbath. I really mean it. My brother got one this year, and it resorted my faith in real cars.
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I just got back from touring Northern England and it looked like most vehicles there are standard shift still, even some you wouldn't expect to be. What's worse, for us anyway, is almost everything is diesel. My nice little Skoda wagon (similar to jetta) rental car was averaging 50+mpg. It's hard to make sense of our limited options.
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I just got back from touring Northern England and it looked like most vehicles there are standard shift still, even some you wouldn't expect to be. What's worse, for us anyway, is almost everything is diesel. My nice little Skoda wagon (similar to jetta) rental car was averaging 50+mpg. It's hard to make sense of our limited options.
I remember being in Italy a few years ago and drooling over the diesel manual Merc minivan that we rode in a bunch and bummed nothing even close to that here.
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