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Old October 7th, 2015, 09:23 AM
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Am I Overpaying for LHD D90?

I am having a D90 imported from Europe and built to my liking and wanted to see what you experts thought about the cost. Don't want to overpay!

It is a hard top 1987 LHD D90 2.5 TD. Really nice rust free underside. Being re-painted and engine rebuilt, new gaskets, waxoil underside in Europe, then shipped here for aftermarket products. It will be a custom green with white roof and highlights.

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- Snorkel
- Winch
- Steps to enter on sides and back
- Front grill, door hinges and top of roof white
- Rest of car custom greeb
- Rims green to match body, new winter tires
- Engine heater
- Soft top add-on
- Chequer plate metal on hood (already there) and running under doors
- Rear bench seats
- Radio

What do you guys think this should cost ready to go in the USA?
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Old October 7th, 2015, 09:30 AM
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$22000 would be for a clean clean truck... most of the stuff added doesn't add to value...... good luck with the import...
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Old October 7th, 2015, 09:31 AM
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Best to post a few pictures of the truck here before the re-spray and waxoil. As both can mask the true condition of the truck that will rear its ugly head the following year.
What is your definition of "rebuilt" engine and "re-painted" body? Be clear with your expectations.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 09:45 AM
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I am having a D90 imported from Europe and built to my liking and wanted to see what you experts thought about the cost. Don't want to overpay! It is a hard top 1987 LHD D90 2.5 TD. Really nice rust free underside. Being re-painted and engine rebuilt, new gaskets, waxoil underside in Europe, then shipped here for aftermarket products. It will be a custom green with white roof and highlights. Also, - Snorkel - Winch - Steps to enter on sides and back - Front grill, door hinges and top of roof white - Rest of car custom greeb - Rims green to match body, new winter tires - Engine heater - Soft top add-on - Chequer plate metal on hood (already there) and running under doors - Rear bench seats - Radio What do you guys think this should cost ready to go in the USA?
Go and see it. Sounds like you are looking to ease your decision by getting 'expert' input.

Many people have been screwed by unscrupulous outfits in the UK over selling their products to gullible people stateside. There is no effective remediation mechanism... You aren't going to ship the truck back if you aren't happy or it was misrepresented so you are reliant on someone who potential screwed you making it right.

If you are paying $20k then a trip to Europe to inspect it prior to shipping will take a weekend of your life and 10% of the cost. You'll have a conversation to inspect, negotiate and finalize payment terms ...

Or you could just ask random people in a forum ...
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Old October 7th, 2015, 09:54 AM
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Dealing with a local in the state where we live, he has a partner in Europe who finds the vehicles, rebuilds and paints, and ships them to him in the US. Then he does all the aftermarket and clean up. Seems to have a good reputation and of course we have a point of blame here in the US if anything goes haywire.

I understand the aftermarket stuff doesn't add to resale value, and we have no intention to resell. Just want to make sure our initial purchase cost isn't astronomical.

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Old October 7th, 2015, 10:01 AM
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Congrats - looks like a solid platform to start from. Do you have photos of the door frames, rear cross member, etc.?
Note this has been repainted before, but at least in the same color. Don't get lured into paying a premium. You will not be happy with UK repaint standards.
Leave it alone and import it as is. Perform what you need done stateside at shop local to you.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 10:04 AM
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Its one of my trucks guys. So not a stranger. Getting real hard to find stuff with clean chassis and bulkheads LHD or RHD these day. Agreed with above you have to be happy with it.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 10:07 AM
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I wouldn't have it waxoyled if you haven't seen in person to many ways to hide rust etc. Plus it's a bit ch to remove if you need to do any work on it.

But if you must get it done do once you been under it, just get a good steam cleaning done in it.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 10:12 AM
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Derek is doing the work. Guess I should have assumed he comes on here! Seems like a trustworthy fellow.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 10:15 AM
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Agreed downshift but really depends on the shop. We have all seen some horrible jobs. We don't do the paint in house our selves but the shop we used has been great.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 10:16 AM
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I try. Ron got a really nice 110 5 door of me! Wife still wishes she had been able to keep that green one

------ Follow up post added October 7th, 2015 10:17 AM ------

That last picture is before the 5 door was painted....not some new age faded job
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Old October 7th, 2015, 10:17 AM
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I agree with what's been said. Have it shipped here as is sits.
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Timing belt is being done ether way but paint and all that stuff can most likely be done stateside for less. Any one in NY/New England area have any recommendations on paint shops they trust and good on price? I have not had much luck at all in VT with paint. Waxoil we do like pros in VT paint........well not our thing in this state
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Can't remember who JimC used to repaint his NAS 110, but I think the info is over in his old build thread. Said it was a great mom and pop shop up past West Point a bit.
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That would be awesome. Its always the little shops that do the best job.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 10:24 AM
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I am having a D90 imported from Europe and built to my liking and wanted to see what you experts thought about the cost. Don't want to overpay!
I am new here, looking for a Defender right now. I am not an expert by any means at this but I would recommend making contact with some of the board members who run refurb and US import businesses in Europe. They have been very helpful with my search this far and I would not hesitate to purchase a vehicle from them. There prices all seem reasonable given they are running business.

There does seem to be a bunch of sketchy businesses out there so be careful. You need to be careful as to what someone means by 'rust free' and you need to be careful as to the quality of their work. Pictures can hide a lot.

Are some of the things that are listed under "Also" in your post the aftermarket accessories that you are talking about? Since you are concerned with price, it may make sense to do some of this state-side since you can do it over time. Of course you have to weigh in the cost of sourcing the parts that you might need here in the US.

In terms of overpaying - this is a relative term. If you were to go out to eBay right now and click 'Buy in Now' on one of the 100k plus vehicles would you consider that overpaying? Some might say 'yes'; Some might say 'no' given the convenience, availability and the condition of the vehicle.
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Agreed downshift but really depends on the shop. We have all seen some horrible jobs. We don't do the paint in house our selves but the shop we used has been great.
It all depends on the client's expectations and why Zack came here for advice. So what is a "rebuilt" engine?
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Old October 7th, 2015, 10:29 AM
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Not rebuilt just timing belt. Alan in France does the rebuilt ones on our builds in France. Bunch of you met him last two years at the british invasion.


His rebuilds
What we do to each engine we rebuild.

Cylinder Head.

Chemically cleaned and pressure tested, all threads checked and rectified.
New core plugs.
New valve guides.
Recut valve veats.
New valves.
New valve eals.
New pre-combustion chamber hot spots.
New injector seats
Head resurfaced.
Block.

Chemically cleaned and pressure tested, all threads checked and rectified..
Rebored, honed and resurfaced.
New core plugs.
Crankshaft crack detected, checked for tolerance and polished or reground.
New teflon coated pistons.
New oil pump.
New camshaft.
New camshaft bearings fitted and honed.
Tappet assembly checked and replaced where necessary.
New big ends, main bearings and thrust washers.
New cylinder head bolts.
New water pump.
New temp and pressure sensors.
New thermostat.
New cambelt and tensioner.
New joints, oil seals, oil filter and gaskets.
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So this one is not an engine rebuild right Derek?

Also, any opinion on what the other poster said about the waxoil and it making it harder to do repairs?
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Not its one of the later number serials on the 19J so good. Just the normal timing belt and tine up. I never let anything go without a fresh timing belt. Other wise how do you know when it was done?

Waxoil can be done state side or UK if proper pictures are provided does not matter where. The 90 is planning on spending the winters driving VT ski mountains so I say waxoil is a must.
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