Am I crazy? - Defender Source
Defender Source  

Go Back   Defender Source > Non-Technical Discussions > Misc. Chit-Chat


Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old February 21st, 2006, 01:42 PM
Mike Hippert's Avatar
Mike Hippert
Status: Offline
D-90Slut/Stalker,SNLPres
94 D-90 Grinding Rover
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester NH USA
Posts: 4,789
Am I crazy?

OK Yeah I know Yes I am crazy!

But, I was thinking about putting a Detroit in the front diff, the front diff isn't looking so good, it's leaking quite a bit and I REALLY love the Detroit I have in the rear diff right now. What I am wondering is just how suicidal will I have to be to drive it down the road with 2 lockers? I am thinking with 2 lockers it will maybe improve breaking as it will go in a straight line rather then swerve a bit. I know I know, I am going to eat through CVs, but I figure for most stuff i can drive with the center diff open to help preserve my CVs, you know they have lasted this long with the 35s and my lead foot, so what's the locker going to do but stress them even more? , all input is well come, on topic or not :P
__________________
Don't forget to
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
first then ask questions later! The loose nut behind the wheel
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old February 21st, 2006, 02:02 PM
Roadsiderob's Avatar
Roadsiderob
Status: Offline
Robert Dassler
1994 D90
D-90 Source Vendor
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Albuquerque, NM, USA
Posts: 994
I think it is a bad idea. It will probably be very hard to steer and contol in anything but a straight line, especially in slippery conditions. I would opt for a Tru Track in the front if you have a Detroit in the rear.
__________________
Rob Dassler
SWR Automotive
505-872-7818 (shop)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old February 21st, 2006, 02:19 PM
Mike Hippert's Avatar
Mike Hippert
Status: Offline
D-90Slut/Stalker,SNLPres
94 D-90 Grinding Rover
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester NH USA
Posts: 4,789
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadsiderob
I think it is a bad idea. It will probably be very hard to steer and contol in anything but a straight line, especially in slippery conditions. I would opt for a Tru Track in the front if you have a Detroit in the rear.
Kinda what I was thinking, although it is hard to steer when the roads are slick now with the detroit in the back as it tends to plow forward unless i lock the center diff, then it helps a little. I bet it will also wear the tires weird too.

Has anyone driven with 2 lockers before?

Follow-up Post:

OK, since I am a bit odd anyway, the real question is, am I going to kill myself trying to keep it on the road? Or will I just be suffering with more poor handling? Which really doesn't bother me anyway lol
__________________
Don't forget to
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
first then ask questions later! The loose nut behind the wheel
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4  
Old February 21st, 2006, 03:38 PM
KevinNY's Avatar
KevinNY
Status: Offline
Kevin Buckley
1973 coiler
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Guilderland,NY
Posts: 1,460
I think it would be impossible to pull into a parking space. Probably kill your power steering too. Bill at GBR says don't do it. You know the TT will work fine.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old February 21st, 2006, 03:40 PM
chrisvonc's Avatar
chrisvonc
Status: Offline
Chris von C
No Defender at this time
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Va
Posts: 4,135
TT up front.
__________________
Chris von C

Please email one of the current MODs if you need assistance.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lriwater: As you know, most wives don't like Series trucks due to the ride and lack of creature comforts. Girlfriends seem to like those, but some sort of magic happens during the wedding ceremony.
[/size]
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old February 21st, 2006, 03:48 PM
Mike Hippert's Avatar
Mike Hippert
Status: Offline
D-90Slut/Stalker,SNLPres
94 D-90 Grinding Rover
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester NH USA
Posts: 4,789
Yeah but a TT isn't much more then an open diff, specialy when you are lifting tires. I think i need to lurk over to pirate to see if anyone is driving around any locked SWB AWD vehicles on the street, although highly unlikely.
__________________
Don't forget to
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
first then ask questions later! The loose nut behind the wheel
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old February 21st, 2006, 04:13 PM
KevinNY's Avatar
KevinNY
Status: Offline
Kevin Buckley
1973 coiler
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Guilderland,NY
Posts: 1,460
Why not get a front ARB? Your going to spend the money anyway fixing all the other parts your going to break plus the body damage from the sidehill crabbing.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old February 21st, 2006, 04:21 PM
Mike Hippert's Avatar
Mike Hippert
Status: Offline
D-90Slut/Stalker,SNLPres
94 D-90 Grinding Rover
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester NH USA
Posts: 4,789
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevinNY
Why not get a front ARB? Your going to spend the money anyway fixing all the other parts your going to break plus the body damage from the sidehill crabbing.
Good point, lol well I don't fix much of the body damage other then pounding out some of the bigger dents, and I am not the biggest fan of ARb lockers, I just don't like having to rely on electrical stuff in a Rover call me crazy. But a Detriot is a good bit cheaper then an ARB.

My thought was pick up a cheapish used third with a detriot installed, swap out the front diff, if I like it I keep it, if I don't like it I can always swap back to the open diff.
__________________
Don't forget to
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
first then ask questions later! The loose nut behind the wheel
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old February 21st, 2006, 04:30 PM
Scott 9835
Status: Offline
Scott Falter
95 D90
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Goleta, Ca
Posts: 56
I run ARBS front and rear. In the mud the front sucks to have locked up if you are on a side hill or making a trun. I run the rear locked most of the time and only use the front when i really have to. The detroit might be the cheap way, but you proble will like the open diff much better.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old February 21st, 2006, 04:38 PM
revor's Avatar
revor
Status: Offline
Keith Kreutzer
Old beat up 110
D-90 Source Vendor
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Longmont, Colorado
Posts: 998
What gears are you running Mike..

First I wouldn't do a detroit in the front as it the halfshafts and your CV's will disintgrate before you can try to pull into any parking spot... Even the 2522 will break and such the Detroit will break when the axle/cv does..

Now for the real solution... Well you guys probably know where I stand, but think about it when was the last time you saw a Rover driving down the street make a turn at an intersection with the front locker and diff loc engaged and not break anything?

Toyota parts...
__________________
Keith

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



Big, Red and ... aaa Red..
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old February 21st, 2006, 05:02 PM
Mike Hippert's Avatar
Mike Hippert
Status: Offline
D-90Slut/Stalker,SNLPres
94 D-90 Grinding Rover
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester NH USA
Posts: 4,789
Quote:
Originally Posted by revor
What gears are you running Mike..

First I wouldn't do a detroit in the front as it the halfshafts and your CV's will disintgrate before you can try to pull into any parking spot... Even the 2522 will break and such the Detroit will break when the axle/cv does..

Now for the real solution... Well you guys probably know where I stand, but think about it when was the last time you saw a Rover driving down the street make a turn at an intersection with the front locker and diff loc engaged and not break anything?

Toyota parts...
lol, well then i guess the front locker will have to wait for a better front axle.
__________________
Don't forget to
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
first then ask questions later! The loose nut behind the wheel
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old February 21st, 2006, 05:36 PM
Hans's Avatar
Hans
Status: Offline
Hans Haase
The D-90.com Lab Rat
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 2,381
Actually, Mike, you just MIGHT kill yourself with a detroit in the front. When people say your steering will suffer, they mean it. Especially on things like loose sand, snow, wet leaves..... you know, typical New England roads between August and May.

-Hans
__________________
My oil line fix

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
My 100k stopped odometer fix

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Brace for impact, I'm in a "modifying mood". Massive thread count inbound.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old February 21st, 2006, 05:37 PM
Bowtracer's Avatar
Bowtracer
Status: Offline
Peter Sherman
NAS 110
Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Old Mill Creek IL
Posts: 690
ARB is your answer. Youdon't need to run the elec. Use air comp & air switches! I am doing that in the D1 as we speak. Air comp is the only elec.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old February 21st, 2006, 05:53 PM
Monkeyboy

Guest
 
Posts: n/a
There's a Detroit in the back and a TT in the front of my Disco .... there's a reason that the 109 is getting an ARB in the front to go with its Detroit ..... too much excitement in the winter!

btw, the TT has always worked great off road, I don't get the comments regards its functionality w/ a wheel lifted?

KAA
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old February 21st, 2006, 08:42 PM
KevinNY's Avatar
KevinNY
Status: Offline
Kevin Buckley
1973 coiler
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Guilderland,NY
Posts: 1,460
Mike,


I know Matt Browne has set up trucks with the ARB run off a small (2LB)CO2 tank, it lasts forever since you need so little to acutate them. You could also get an engine driven compressor.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old February 22nd, 2006, 08:18 AM
woldd90's Avatar
woldd90
Status: Offline
Scott
1997 D90 ST #1444
Site Team
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Georgia
Posts: 5,329
My suggestion would be to go with the ARB in the front... Being selectable, in my opinion, gives you the best of both worlds. You can try an obstical with the performance of the truck and driving ability, and if that doesn't work, then lock it up. I think it takes some of the fun out of off roading if you are locked all the time.


I have ARB's front and rear, so I am sure I am a bit biased.

BTW, I think someone is selling a set of lockers in the FS section, I think a Detroit and a TT, with 3.54 gears.
__________________
Scott

Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old February 22nd, 2006, 08:41 AM
Mike Hippert's Avatar
Mike Hippert
Status: Offline
D-90Slut/Stalker,SNLPres
94 D-90 Grinding Rover
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester NH USA
Posts: 4,789
Well everyone may like their ARBs, but I am still not too keen on them. I guess i just like things plain simple and mechanical! The TT may be the way to go but I think I'll hold off until the front end is a bit more beefed up.

I'll just save up for a better front end all together.
__________________
Don't forget to
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
first then ask questions later! The loose nut behind the wheel
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old February 22nd, 2006, 11:33 AM
Hans's Avatar
Hans
Status: Offline
Hans Haase
The D-90.com Lab Rat
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 2,381
There ya go mike, you can always save up for a Dynatrac pro-Rock 60 and one of the other lockable diff's out there such as the Ox or the Detroit E-locker.

-Hans
__________________
My oil line fix

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
My 100k stopped odometer fix

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Brace for impact, I'm in a "modifying mood". Massive thread count inbound.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old February 22nd, 2006, 12:00 PM
Shane@EVS
Status: Offline
Roverhybrids
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RDG, CA, USA
Posts: 420
Come on Mike just do it!
Just remember anytime you want to turn, let off the gas!

If you really want a detroit up front you can convert your tcase to part time.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old February 22nd, 2006, 12:19 PM
pendy's Avatar
pendy
Status: Offline
jim pendleton
89'd90
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: andover, ks usa
Posts: 2,341
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevinNY
Why not get a front ARB? Your going to spend the money anyway fixing all the other parts your going to break plus the body damage from the sidehill crabbing.
I think TT is to much for the front CV's. I think many premature CV failures can be atributed to the TT.

ARB is the ticket.

JP
__________________
legend in my own mind

Advice is only as good as the person applying it--
Don't make me give you bad advice!

Lemons or lemonaide, whatever your taste provides.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Defender Source > Non-Technical Discussions > Misc. Chit-Chat

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Crazy guitar Hazard Misc. Chit-Chat 1 August 7th, 2009 02:06 PM
Crazy Hybrid chris snell Misc. Chit-Chat 15 February 22nd, 2006 12:18 AM
crazy aussies lobster Misc. Chit-Chat 10 May 5th, 2005 03:07 PM
Crazy Pic and Story of Recovery Accident priest944 Misc. Chit-Chat 7 March 23rd, 2005 12:19 PM
Blowing wiper/speedo fuse like crazy....help! P1CR Defender Technical Discussions 4 March 11th, 2004 03:23 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:16 AM.


Copyright