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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:29 AM
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Hi all, The names Rich and I was wondering if anyone has done what I did? Specifically, I had an employee in England send me a brand new Defender in pieces over the course of 2 months. I then titled it under a 1985 Defender I bought for 12 grand on Ebay a couple months ago and had that one scraped at the local yard. Currently, my mechanic is ripping out the engine and I'm probably going to have him put a crate V8 in it.

What are your thoughts on that.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:37 AM
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What are you going to do with the old engine?

Read this thread

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=39032

and then the "what's legal?" thread.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:41 AM
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What are you going to do with the old engine?

Read this thread

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=39032

and then the "what's legal?" thread.

My attorney assured me it was legal in that I had the 85' defender destroyed. My mechanic is really interested in keeping the engine and I may just let him have it in exchange for the engine swap.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:47 AM
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It's known as "salami slicing" Johnny Cash did a song about this. I think he called it "one piece at a time" or something. I think it went something like he worked in a Cadillac assembly plant and over the course of twenty-odd years stole all the parts to build a "brand new" car.
I guess if he gets a clean title for it, it's legal.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:49 AM
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Let's see more pics then. Sounds fun. Are you converting it to 130 or something?
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:54 AM
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Its a Ship of Theseus debate. The biggest issue is the new noncompliance engine. Its doable, but you don't want to talk very loudly about it, as its a grey area thatsome will see as black while other white. the "what's legal?" thread goes through many of the various opinions.

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It's all good. It's not so much of a gray area but more of what I like to call a brown area.

By the way whats a 130 and how would I go about converting it into one. If its bigger thats a plus as I already have a hard time squeezing into the little guy.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:56 AM
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Allow me to introduce myself, I not a Customs Agent...
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:57 AM
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By the way whats a 130 and how would I go about converting it into one. If its bigger thats a plus as I already have a hard time squeezing into the little guy.
Your vehicle profile says you HAVE a 130. Google "Defender 130" then look in your backyard and compare it to what's there.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 11:59 AM
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Gentlemen, do you guys think this will fit in there?

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=12379

Because my mech thinks he can do it



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Your vehicle profile says you HAVE a 130. Google "Defender 130" then look in your backyard and compare it to what's there.
Oh... Newb mistake on my part . I thought I got the big one. I've got the 90.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:05 PM
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???...wtf...???
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:06 PM
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Does it run? Is the engine in it now?
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:11 PM
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Does it run? Is the engine in it now?
My trusty Mech has it right now and is taking the old engine/drivetrain out as we speak. I still haven't decided which engine to put in it. Trying to figure out what will fit in there. He said we can take some better measurements once the little engine is out.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:18 PM
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Truck actually just looks like it was just pulled from this listing. Tough to bullshit a bullshitter.

http://www.autoweb.co.uk/used/car/la...ender/13139624
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:19 PM
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Yea it will fit. It will take some work but its doable. I know of a BBCaddy that was put into a series truck. That being said, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

If you are serious about that engine, what transmission are you planning on using?

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I'm not doing anything. My mechanic is doing everything. I don't know about the tranny yet. Any recommendations?

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Truck actually just looks like it was just pulled from this listing. Tough to bullshit a bullshitter.

http://www.autoweb.co.uk/used/car/la...ender/13139624
Oh crap. I uploaded the wrong picture.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Well, what are you using the truck for? What do you want it to do that it wont do now? Will you use it offroad? What type of offroading? How big of tires?

-Jeff
It's going to be my winter car. The audi isn't cutting it just getting out of my 1 mile long dirt driveway. I guess you could consider it offroading. My bubbling brook also floods over and washes out sections of it at times. I'm also considering installing a snow plow during the winter months.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:26 PM
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Big block is a no go. You can get in a 351W in tho, and with a vortech and nitrous you should easily have all the power the BBF would. You will need a rear sump pan, and possibly custom bend headers. Trouble is, it's not just an engine swap as ALL systems will require complete reengineering; transmission, shafts, axles, brakes, cooling..... Been thru all that schnitz before. Bottom line is it is easiest to replicate what has been done and proven to work well.
One consideration is that the non original powertrain will reduce the overall value, so if you ever decide to sell, potential buyers will give you the hairy eyeball over the swap.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:30 PM
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Big block is a no go. You can get in a 351W in tho, and with a vortech and nitrous you should easily have all the power the BBF would. You will need a rear sump pan, and possibly custom bend headers. Trouble is, it's not just an engine swap as ALL systems will require complete reengineering; transmission, shafts, axles, brakes, cooling..... Been thru all that schnitz before. Bottom line is it is easiest to replicate what has been done and proven to work well.
One consideration is that the non original powertrain will reduce the overall value, so if you ever decide to sell, potential buyers will give you the hairy eyeball over the swap.
I'm not worried about the resale value. This is going to be my Grounds Vehicle. You really think the 427 wouldn't fit? Shit, my mechanic just sent me a text saying the same thing you did. Looks like it will be the 351...
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:34 PM
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Truck actually just looks like it was just pulled from this listing. Tough to bullshit a bullshitter.

http://www.autoweb.co.uk/used/car/la...ender/13139624
you are correct same photo....I also found this one.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:34 PM
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427 is a wide V. You can't get the exhaust between the frame rails. It would have to go outboard, which will be a hack. Are you using an auto trans or manual?
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Old August 7th, 2012, 12:37 PM
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427 is a wide V. You can't get the exhaust between the frame rails. It would have to go outboard, which will be a hack. Are you using an auto trans or manual?
It's def gonna be an automatic. That was the original issue that snowballed into the engine swap. My wife was the only one able to drive the rover prior. Never could drive stick.
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