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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:04 PM
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97 D90 LE value

So I'm starting one of those threads that everyone hates. What is the value of a particular defender.

1997 Limited Edition
150,XXX miles
4.6L replaced with 4.0L engine
small amount of surface rust on rear cross member
interior carpet removed in front of vehicle
brush guard and top cage no longer with vehicle
has trouble starting if it sits for more than a day
drives very well
no body damage or dings

What would you value this vehicle with the limited information that I have provided.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:10 PM
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So I'm starting one of those threads that everyone hates. What is the value of a particular defender.

1997 Limited Edition
150,XXX miles
4.6L replaced with 4.0L engine
small amount of surface rust on rear cross member
interior carpet removed in front of vehicle
brush guard and top cage no longer with vehicle
has trouble starting if it sits for more than a day
drives very well
no body damage or dings

What would you value this vehicle with the limited information that I have provided.
Assuming clean title......20k
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:13 PM
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Clean title, 2 owners that I know of and was used as a daily driver and trail truck, but well taken care of. It has spent its life in Texas, Colorado, and Louisiana.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:19 PM
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Clean title, 2 owners that I know of and was used as a daily driver and trail truck, but well taken care of. It has spent its life in Texas, Colorado, and Louisiana.
Are you looking to buy this?

Start making offers until the seller says yes or you think it's too expensive.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:19 PM
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Cleaned up Copley would get over 30k for that truck...If you can get it for 20k Battle jump on it.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:23 PM
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yeah but if it needs over $10k worth of work to make it Copley spec than it's not a good deal!

Give me the phone number of the seller ... I'll figure the value out.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:25 PM
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yeah but if it needs over $10k worth of work to make it Copley spec than it's not a good deal!

Give me the phone number of the seller ... I'll figure the value out.
Yeah right!
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:29 PM
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For someone looking to buy low, put some work into it and flip it, maybe $20k! Goose! I can completely see why Goose would say $20k based on it having unknown issues with starting, etc. but in reality I can say that I haven't seen a 1997 D90 LE with a clean title and minimal rust going for that low lately. Because it's an LE, you can usually add $1-2k above similar 1997s (when it's in the $30k range), but because it's missing the rack, I'd take off $1,500-2k. So, basically price it as a regular 1997 with 150k miles needing some work (they all need work!!!). $26-32k is where 1997 SWs with that mileage are right now for a clean titled, properly marketed vehicle with exposure to multiple buyers.

Should you try to get it for $20k? Absolutely! Should you walk away if the seller refuses $20k? Probably not, unless you have a better idea of what actually needs to be done on it.

Also, does it have a 4.6 or a 4.0? Your text is confusing, since they came with 4.0 but you mention a switch TO a 4.0.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:33 PM
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He said it was switched from 4.6 to 4.0. Didn't make much sense to me either. Haven't talked to him again to get clarification.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:54 PM
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Previous owner converted it to a 4.6, but wanted to keep the 4.6 when he sold it to current owner so he put the 4.0 back in it.
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Horsey,

A 97 LE with a 150K, must be immaculate and complete ( NO ISSUES ) to be worth upper 20's - low 30's.

There are crazy people buying overpriced POS all the time.

But the value of this LE ( or any other vehicle ) with unknown issues should always be valued considering what you will have to pay someone to correct it.

Then the emotional crap comes into play ( like, oh I can fix that myself, a weekend with the boys and I swap the motor , etc ) .. that is great, but shouldn't be added as a benefit to the seller, otherwise, let the seller do that with his boys and sell you the vehicle in worry-less condition .

And considering no carpet, no rack, and if someone let an issue of not starting after a day of no use take a toll, drives me to believe the rest of the maintenance has the same level of quality.

So 20,000 ( ish ) is a smart well thought out purchase, upper 20's an emotional ( soon to be regretted ) purchase.

Just my opinion not that anyone cares ;-)
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Eh, agree to disagree I guess. With unknown issues, it's difficult to give an accurate assessment anyway. But at some point you have to know/understand that they all have known and unknown issues, and that they're all basically a roll of the dice at any price. I would be willing to bet that at $20k, and most assuming that the issue is vacuum, starter or ignition coil related (all the cheapo fixes) there would be quite a bit of competition on the vehicle (if advertised properly), and that with a little spit and shine most would be looking to quickly flip it for that upper 20's to low 30's figure I threw out earlier. I'm just saying that the ability to buy it at $20k may be a little unrealistic on the low side, if there are more buyers in contact with the seller than just Airborne. 1997s command a price premium over 1994-95, and LEs command a price premium over other 1997 SWs on the open market. That's not just me saying that - it's demonstrated in the D90 market day in and day out. Should he try to buy it for the lowest number possible? Yes, absolutely.
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Horsey,

A 97 LE with a 150K, must be immaculate and complete ( NO ISSUES ) to be worth upper 20's - low 30's.

There are crazy people buying overpriced POS all the time.

But the value of this LE ( or any other vehicle ) with unknown issues should always be valued considering what you will have to pay someone to correct it.

Then the emotional crap comes into play ( like, oh I can fix that myself, a weekend with the boys and I swap the motor , etc ) .. that is great, but shouldn't be added as a benefit to the seller, otherwise, let the seller do that with his boys and sell you the vehicle in worry-less condition .

And considering no carpet, no rack, and if someone let an issue of not starting after a day of no use take a toll, drives me to believe the rest of the maintenance has the same level of quality.

So 20,000 ( ish ) is a smart well thought out purchase, upper 20's an emotional ( soon to be regretted ) purchase.

Just my opinion not that anyone cares ;-)
I care ... basically this vehicle needs love and attention in the form of money. How much no-one can say ... is it likely to be bought as an overpriced POS by some moron if it hit the open market ... I'd say yes.

As a market where 101stairborne is trying to extract it from a seller without competing with other idiots ... $20k seems reasonable if a little high given the questionable history.
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I got 20k cash right now if it is not rusted out.

IMHO, with a car wash, that is a 25k (or more) truck any day.
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I'm surprised you guys are assuming that "minimal rust" claim is true...

This is a Defender after all
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I got 20k cash right now if it is not rusted out.

IMHO, with a car wash, that is a 25k (or more) truck any day.
are you willing to pay $25k for it if 101stairborne washes it?
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If the description is accurate you should delete this thread and go to the bank for anything under $25k.
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are you willing to pay $25k for it if 101stairborne washes it?
I am willing to pay $20k and I can wash it.
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He wants considerably more
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He wants considerably more
He should. He's probably done some research and has seen that they've been selling for more. Is he asking more than the range I gave?
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