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Old March 30th, 2013, 10:22 AM
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300 tdi federalized and for sale data sought

1. What data exist for the 300 tdi being federalized but not actually sold by LR (or Ford)?

(looking for pdf's to have here for reference use, etc...not just posts saying it happened....)

2. When did it actually start production. It was in 94's so the 21 year rule suggests 2014 (it was in model year 1994 which were sold in the fall of 1993.....)?

(again, anyone with data?)


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Old March 30th, 2013, 10:36 AM
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No comment on the actual questions other than I've heard that rumor too. And it makes sense.

Back in 1994 it would have been BMW not Ford though.
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The EPA's online certification index system only goes back to 2003. A FOIA request will be needed from EPA to see if any 2.5 liter compression ignition engines were certified either by Land Rover, BMW, or Ford from 1994 until 2006.

Edit: I am already there on the site so I am just going to submit an online FOIA. Worst they can say is "we don't have anything".
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Old March 30th, 2013, 11:05 AM
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Here's a link to the EPA:
http://www.epa.gov/oms/crttst.htm

shows all vehicles/engines that were tested and certified since 1979

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The EPA's online certification index system only goes back to 2003. A FOIA request will be needed from EPA to see if any 2.5 liter compression ignition engines were certified either by Land Rover, BMW, or Ford from 1994 until 2006.

Edit: I am already there on the site so I am just going to submit an online FOIA. Worst they can say is "we don't have anything".
Got a link?
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Old March 30th, 2013, 11:12 AM
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Well, this is what I just submitted under the Freedom of Information Act:

"I would like to obtain copies of any Clean Air Act Certificates of Conformity or denied applications that may have been issued to Land Rover, Ford Motor Company, or BMW for 2.5 Liter compression ignition engines from 1989 until 2006."
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Well, this is what I just submitted under the Freedom of Information Act:

"I would like to obtain copies of any Clean Air Act Certificates of Conformity or denied applications that may have been issued to Land Rover, Ford Motor Company, or BMW for 2.5 Liter compression ignition engines from 1989 until 2006."
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Old March 30th, 2013, 11:21 AM
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I am EXTREMELY interested in seeing the results of that inquiry.
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Well, this is what I just submitted under the Freedom of Information Act:

"I would like to obtain copies of any Clean Air Act Certificates of Conformity or denied applications that may have been issued to Land Rover, Ford Motor Company, or BMW for 2.5 Liter compression ignition engines from 1989 until 2006."
I believe that submitting an FOIA will get you a response with the estimated cost of your FOIA. If you're willing to pay the cost of the research (so as to not burden the taxpayer with it), you should be able to get this information.
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Old March 30th, 2013, 11:26 AM
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I believe that submitting an FOIA will get you a response with the estimated cost of your FOIA. If you're willing to pay the cost of the research (so as to not burden the taxpayer with it), you should be able to get this information.
Yup, I already put that I was willing to pay up to $25, and if it would be more to contact me.
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I am willing to help with financing this too...let me know what the bill is and if rational, we'll get this done.

(It would make sense that ECR would have these data or RN or the like...or even LRNA - they probably have people watching this site too...)

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Old March 30th, 2013, 11:29 AM
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The key word is exempt. EPA does not care what you put in at that point. It is exempt and does not need to pass emissions. If you read it right the newer motor (and better emmisions) you put in, the better. The exemption applies to the car, not the motor.
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What matters to me is in NC when I pull up to an inspection station, the moment they realize I have a diesel, I get the "these are not the droids we are looking for" treatment. 10 years old or diesel in NC = jedi powers.
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So have the rules changed since this was published?
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf
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Old March 30th, 2013, 11:45 AM
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No not.at all, although that has been around for yrs. The key part that is being missed is the vehicle being exempt.......
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Old March 30th, 2013, 11:49 AM
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So have the rules changed since this was published?
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf
The EPA fact sheet however only appears (if I read it correctly) to refer to "certified configurations", which 25yr old diesel land rovers never were in the first place.
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So seeing how we are seeking clarification and you have a solid understanding:

Can a 25 year old truck be imported with a newer engine or are you talking about once the vehicle is here?

Once the vehicle is here, you can put any engine in? TDCI, TD5 or 300TDI?
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Wanted to stay on topic: was the 300tdi tested. When was it's first day in a truck...?

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Old March 30th, 2013, 12:17 PM
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I would consider anything I say as bullshite, in general and on this subject. I don't import vehicles and have not even an opinion on that.
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gotcha...thought you may have some insight
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The question is for this situation...say one has a real 110NAS that burned up in a fire....an unfortunately all too common thing ..and you rebuild...and don't want to die in a fire but love your truck. The logical and safer option is to use a diesel and the 300tdi has no ecu and such, so may be the simpler solution. And, it was "current" as of 1993 so is more period correct. Mileage goes way up too.

This set of dreams options has been known for a long time now:

http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Tdiconversions.html


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As far as I am aware, Land Rover did not start to fit 300Tdi engines (from the project known as Gemini 3) until early in 1994. (Land Rover announced the 300Tdi fitment to the Defender, Discovery and RRC simultaneously in March of '94. In fact, before I left England I had a 1994 D90 with a factory 200tdi (and also factory disc rear axle). So a 300Tdi in a 1993 110 would be a year too early.
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