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Old March 30th, 2013, 07:55 PM
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The UK never really had 'Model Years' in the same way as the US does. At the time we're discussing new registrations (change in letter) arrived each year on 1 Aug but that didn't always jive with the release of new features or models. If you take 1 Aug 94 as being the start of the 95 model year (although that's an Americanization) then early 94 as has been suggested above for production would make sense.
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Old March 30th, 2013, 08:32 PM
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Just a bit of background on my sources for the 300tdi introduction date, I'm another one of those damn British imperialists that have returned under cover of darkness as we actually quite like it here, even after you all kicked us out over that little financial revenue misunderstanding. I remember the 300Tdi coming out and used a fleet of 300Tdi Hi-Cap Defenders in our drilling business, unlike the previous 200Tdi it was released on all models at the same time, whereas the 200Tdi was first released in the Discovery 1 in 1989/90, in vehicles with G***WAC plates (LR press release fleet) The information on the introduction of the 300Tdi is also published in James Taylors book "Land Rover, 60 years of the 4x4 Workhorse" published in 2007.
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Adding to this but I also may be way off. If those rules on 21 years are correct then you could bring in a 1994 with a 3.5 or 3.9 fitted since those were certified engines in the US?
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Adding to this but I also may be way off. If those rules on 21 years are correct then you could bring in a 1994 with a 3.5 or 3.9 fitted since those were certified engines in the US?
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Adding to this but I also may be way off. If those rules on 21 years are correct then you could bring in a 1994 with a 3.5 or 3.9 fitted since those were certified engines in the US?
But, it wouldn't be 25yrs old to satisfy the DOT, and Land Rover dropped the 3.5 V8 from the Defender range during 1992, except for special order which were almost all 130's. The V8 only reappeared as a standard engine for the 50th anniversary edition in 1998. So it wouldn't be a factory fitted engine.
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"]The only uk diesel that Ford had federalize a was the one used in the London Taxi a 2.2 liter unit that was briefly sold here.
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Haha, I'm so glad I'm not just entertaining myself..........for that I'm going to service the transmission on a '95 LWB.....but first I need new batteries for the magic wand.
Based on this and other threads pondering the CFRs and EPA regs, I think there are a lot of other people in need of batteries for their magic wands too. Better get to the battery store quick, could be a long line when it opens today....
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Please stay on topic: was the 300tdi federalized and when was is first used.

RE: importation/OBD/installation/swap issues...please take to/start another thread.

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Sorry - will start another thread or post in one already started.

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Don, that's raises a question that has been interesting me as well. Assume no other issues of legality for a minute and you have an electronic version of a later LR diesel engine fitted to a US 96 or newer OBD II truck. You turn up to a US Testing station with it and plug it in, will it pass?

My understanding is these engines run on ECUs which are EOBD which is the Euro version. If you plug one of them in to a US Federal test set up will it still pass or will it recognize it as a foreign set up?
Thanks for the posts/discussion - I don't want to derail the thread but the original question sparked some other questions at least for me. In the meantime I won't mess with my NAS rigs power at least until the 3.9 stays running. But thanks up:
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There's this blast from the past, it could be a lead on the 300TDI unicorn hunt.

http://74.200.83.64/~d90com/discus/m...s/46/1117.html

and I think the rumor is the 300Tdi was tested for the NAS110, but it never actually happened. (obviously)
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Old April 1st, 2013, 01:57 PM
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The key word is exempt. EPA does not care what you put in at that point. It is exempt and does not need to pass emissions. If you read it right the newer motor (and better emmisions) you put in, the better. The exemption applies to the car, not the motor.
Matt,

Please see this:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...&postcount=287

Apparently the EPA does care to some degree so you still have to be careful. The exemption does apply to the vehicle until you change the engine. Then it still applies to the vehicle but the age (for EPA purposes) of the vehicle changes according to the engine you fit. The replacement engine MUST be a US type approved engine.

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So while it does take a while, the FOIA site really does produce results, and at no direct cost.

This was the response to my EPA query, waiting for me in my e-mail today.
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So while it does take a while, the FOIA site really does produce results, and at no direct cost.

This was the response to my EPA query, waiting for me in my e-mail today.
Neil,

What if you had just requested "Diesel" I wonder if they are getting a little picky with the wording 2.5L?

Just a thought and great work at least were learning.

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Here's a link to the EPA:
http://www.epa.gov/oms/crttst.htm
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So while it does take a while, the FOIA site really does produce results, and at no direct cost.

This was the response to my EPA query, waiting for me in my e-mail today.
I would say these 2 pieces of information pretty much tie together to suggest there was no federalization of the 300TDi engines here in the US.
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It's been rumored that the US Army (Special Forces) employees Defender with 300Tdi's and RN sells them parts ...... anyone have any 1st hand knowledge of this ( particularly their disposal ) ?
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It's been rumored that the US Army (Special Forces) employees Defender with 300Tdi's and RN sells them parts ...... anyone have any 1st hand knowledge of this ( particularly their disposal ) ?
RSOV is what you're talking about. Not sure they get demilled to the public-seem to end up on ranges as targetry more often.
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It's been rumored that the US Army (Special Forces) employees Defender with 300Tdi's and RN sells them parts ...... anyone have any 1st hand knowledge of this ( particularly their disposal ) ?
Wouldn't matter anyway, since DoD doesn't have to have vehicles that meet DOT or EPA standards.
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