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Old January 4th, 2015, 10:20 PM
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3.2L Powerstroke engine swap

Has anyone in the US begun tackling the potential 3.2L Ford Powerstroke diesel engine swap into a defender? I was wondering since the engine has been available in US for several months since the new US Transit came out...
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Has anyone in the US begun tackling the potential 3.2L Ford Powerstroke diesel engine swap into a defender? I was wondering since the engine has been available in US for several months since the new US Transit came out...
Engine is too expensive. Guys are going gm at this time
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What's the 3.2 cost?
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Too many electronics and emissions devices on it.
I like simple.
But with fuel prices, gas on sale for50% off and diesel only down by maybe 10%, I think some will defer that conversion.

CNBC had an article about than just yesterday how VW diesel sales are down. People are buying gas powered cars now.

Diesel users get shut out of gas plunge party http://www.cnbc.com/id/102306312
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Old January 5th, 2015, 10:34 AM
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We've had some 3.2 and Puma discussions in the past. There was one company in the UK that did the 3.2 transplant. In the magazine article they said getting the electronics to work was difficult. Might be true, might be a tactic to scare others off.

In the US, the Transit only comes with an auto box and electronics to make that set up work. Divorcing the engine and gearbox and using say a MT82 stick married to the LT230 as done with the diesels in the Defender would require a whole ton of engine electronic wizardry.

I put this in the "its a nice idea but very expensive, with high potential for disappointment" filing cabinet.
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Old January 5th, 2015, 08:58 PM
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IMHO, a diesel swap just doesn't make sense now with petrol prices so low. Plus the Chinese MT82 transmission sucks...
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Diesel swaps are not about gas prices IMHO. They are about reliability and range.
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Old January 5th, 2015, 09:47 PM
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And drive ability. Modern diesels are much nicer to drive than gas engines.
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Not so sure about that... a Gen IV 5.3 in a lightweight truck like a D90 would be a very, very nice driver...

For me diesel is about simplicity and off road ability. I'll stick with a Tdi or similar (Cummins 4BT, Isuzu 4BD1T, etc)
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And drive ability. Modern diesels are much nicer to drive than gas engines.
I don't agree. One of our X5s is diesel and I don't care for it. If you step on the pedal it really moves (after the turbo lag) but in everyday driving it just feels like a big turd. Our petrol X5 is much more fun to drive. Plus it sounds like a sexy race car. Obviously a diesel would be good for towing or off-roading without the need to rev the engine much, but in most cases it just sucks. I'm sure you all have diesels you love though and that's awesome! They're just not for me.
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Then bmw has done a shit job. It should pull like a train from idle. There should be no turbo lag at all.
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Then bmw has done a shit job. It should pull like a train from idle. There should be no turbo lag at all.
Yeah it's pretty bad. You can't even buy a new BMW now with a naturally aspirated engine. It's a dirty shame.
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Or a Porsche with a stick! Well, maybe one. It's strange how vexed people's desires, marketing, and the subsequent vehicles have changed. And mostly for the worst. I remember one Ford commercial where people were talking about how awesome a new vehicles was! How it was like "driving a computer!" I don't know about you but that sounds terrible!!
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Just wait until we start seeing more of the aircraft style automation. Pilots no longer consider themselves as such. They are reduced to plain (!) operators.
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David, to answer your question and to steer us back on topic. I called ford and they want 9k for the engine, but there is a 3k core charge (where the heck am I going to get that...) and another grand for the ECM/harness. Total came to 13600. Per the guys in England, the transmission they use is a MT85 front, Mt82 rear so it bolts to the LT230 and is beefier. BAS and Nene Overland are two groups that have done it in England but they were using pre 2011 Transit 3.2L engines (EURO 5 spec came out 2011 MY).
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David, to answer your question and to steer us back on topic. I called ford and they want 9k for the engine, but there is a 3k core charge (where the heck am I going to get that...) and another grand for the ECM/harness. Total came to 13600. Per the guys in England, the transmission they use is a MT85 front, Mt82 rear so it bolts to the LT230 and is beefier. BAS and Nene Overland are two groups that have done it in England but they were using pre 2011 Transit 3.2L engines (EURO 5 spec came out 2011 MY).
Even rolled transit vans are expensive because the Diesel engine is priced based on its longevity and its economy. At $13600 there is literally zero meat on this bone to make this an attractive swap.

I'm a diesel guy but when you get into 3L plus displacements the benefits of gas start to become apparent.
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probably a dumb question but out of curiosity.......

now that the 3.2 engine is available in the usa would it be possible to bring in a pre 2011 3.2?

and would this be a cheaper option?

Is it really worth it? are the gains with a 3.2 significant?
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i have been in a defender 110 with that motor and was pretty cool little motor we haven't been able to track one down yet but have a few request to a couple of junk yards in our area that part out just about everything so it just a matter of time tile we get the call and this week has been very bad weather with ice and snow
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probably a dumb question but out of curiosity.......

now that the 3.2 engine is available in the usa would it be possible to bring in a pre 2011 3.2?

and would this be a cheaper option?

Is it really worth it? are the gains with a 3.2 significant?
No, it needs to be the full EPA approved "system", to be legal.

http://www.ford.com/commercial-truck...ations/engine/
185hp@3000 rpm, 350lb-ft@1500 - 2500 rpm stock, with lots of room for more. Gains versus which engine?

The current Defender.
122hp@3500 rpm, 265 lb-ft@2000 rpm
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Swapping any 3.2L into any Defender will always be illegal per the EPA - because its not a factory fitted engine. No reason you couldnt bring in an older 3.2 the same way people are bringing in 300's and Td5s... under cover of darkness.
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