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Beyond the bad reputation from the past. The 6 cents higher per gallon Federal tax on diesel versus gasoline hurts diesels in the USA.

Of course, one day, that federal tax will need to go way, way up to fund the collapsing road infrastructure.

Here in Canada, the federal tax is 6 cents per liter (23 cents per gallon) LOWER on diesel than gasoline. It make a big difference. I'm not sure the actual number, but I would guess 50% of current Audi, BMW and Mercedes SUV sales are diesel. It makes the rich people think they are helping the environment.... But they are nicer to drive as well, IMO.
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Down here diesel is penalized because the current adminstration is betting the farm on solar powered cars and engines that run on love and equality as the future for America.

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Pretty good read about why we don't drive diesels. http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20130...ot-buy-diesels
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Pretty good read about why we don't drive diesels. BBC - Autos - Why do Americans not drive diesels?
Yeah I thought this article was completely bogus based on the number of models being offered in the US that even have a diesel option.

Just about every manufacturer has a reasonably priced diesel variant in the UK and EU. It isn't whether or not americans would buy diesels, its whether or not they can. I think the next 6 years will prove the fuel in the US
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Yup it's Obama's fault. We all know he was born in Saudi Arabia.

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After renting a jetta tdi in the UK and getting 15-20% better fuel economy (imperial adjusted) I did a lot of digging and the best answer I came up with was from a friend who is a German engineer at the Chattanooga VW plant. He said that US emissions are based on gallons and not miles traveled. That requires different emissions that are not as fuel efficient for miles traveled.
Essentially we get less miles per gallon in an attempt to reduce the emissions per gallon rather than look at the emissions per mile traveled. Typical government math. Not sure this is the whole reason, but have me enough to get off the search and try to get some sleep.
That's strange. I'm amazed the emissions controls could adversely affect fuel economy to such an extreme.
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Can someone explain the hysterics around Diesel? Besides mpg what's the big deal? I guess I haven't been around enough diesels. Only ones I've been around are old Mercedes and a few trucks and all I remember is the smell of diesel burning was a turnoff, and engine noise.
My only experience driving a diesel car was our 2010 X5 35d. It was clean so there was no smell, but you could feel and hear the clatter of the engine. It was kind of hard to sell because people who test drove it didn't like that. I didn't care so much about that, but what I didn't like is how it just felt like a big turd unless you stepped down on the peddle because it always drove at such low rpms. And if you really stomped on the pedal to make the big turd move there was about a 1 second delay for the turbo to kick in. I'm not a fan of turbos at all. I'll take a smooth running naturally aspirated gas motor any day. What I think diesel is great for is big trucks and motorhomes where you really need that low end power.
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My only experience driving a diesel car was our 2010 X5 35d. It was clean so there was no smell, but you could feel and hear the clatter of the engine. It was kind of hard to sell because people who test drove it didn't like that. I didn't care so much about that, but what I didn't like is how it just felt like a big turd unless you stepped down on the peddle because it always drove at such low rpms. And if you really stomped on the pedal to make the big turd move there was about a 1 second delay for the turbo to kick in. I'm not a fan of turbos at all. I'll take a smooth running naturally aspirated gas motor any day. What I think diesel is great for is big trucks and motorhomes where you really need that low end power.
To each their own, I love turbos.....a proper turbo will make you one with your seat and put a smile on your face
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Yup it's Obama's fault. We all know he was born in Saudi Arabia.

It's a fact. I'm ready for a pragmatic White House, rather than the idealist we've beed dealing with.

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besides "Of course it's Obama's fault" doesn't fly as a defense after 10 years of "Of course it's Bush's fault". Can't have it both ways.

Diesel adoption in today's environment is about White House energy policy. American's care about the price at the pump, and commerce lives and diese by the price of diesel.
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My only experience driving a diesel car was our 2010 X5 35d. It was clean so there was no smell, but you could feel and hear the clatter of the engine. It was kind of hard to sell because people who test drove it didn't like that. I didn't care so much about that, but what I didn't like is how it just felt like a big turd unless you stepped down on the peddle because it always drove at such low rpms. And if you really stomped on the pedal to make the big turd move there was about a 1 second delay for the turbo to kick in. I'm not a fan of turbos at all. I'll take a smooth running naturally aspirated gas motor any day. What I think diesel is great for is big trucks and motorhomes where you really need that low end power.
Just do what Michele Mouton did in the Audi Quattro - floor it before the turn and then let the turbo hit on exit.

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It's a fact. I'm ready for a pragmatic White House, rather than the idealist we've beed dealing with.

So, you'll be voting for the guy who promises to raise the artificially-kept-lower-since-1993 gas tax in order to pay for our crumbing infrastructure?

That will at least bring gas up to the same pump price as diesel...
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so, you'll be voting for the guy who promises to raise the artificially-kept-lower-since-1993 gas tax in order to pay for our crumbing infrastructure?

That will at least bring gas up to the same pump price as diesel...
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based on resale? Absolutely. Do your research dude.
Resell value is great if you can sell it. Plus who wants a Volkswagon. I had a new Jetta as a rental recently and it would have been more comfortable with no seats. To each his own, dude.
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While I am not a fan of the jetta (sorry josh) asit is too Americanized, the golf/sportwagen platform I like.
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While I am not a fan of the jetta (sorry josh) asit is too Americanized, the golf/sportwagen platform I like.
I test drove and almost bought a Jetta TDI with a manual a few years ago.
What discouraged me was I work with several people who have VW TDIs. And while they seem to love them, they seem to always be in the shop. Sounds like a Rover.
But at the time, I was searching for a low maintenance car. I went with a Mazda and got a darn good reliable car that served me well far beyond 250k miles. Other than routine maintenance it never had to go in to the shop for any repairs.
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My only experience driving a diesel car was our 2010 X5 35d. It was clean so there was no smell, but you could feel and hear the clatter of the engine. It was kind of hard to sell because people who test drove it didn't like that. I didn't care so much about that, but what I didn't like is how it just felt like a big turd unless you stepped down on the peddle because it always drove at such low rpms. And if you really stomped on the pedal to make the big turd move there was about a 1 second delay for the turbo to kick in. I'm not a fan of turbos at all. I'll take a smooth running naturally aspirated gas motor any day. What I think diesel is great for is big trucks and motorhomes where you really need that low end power.
You should have marketed that X5 here...
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Resell value is great if you can sell it. Plus who wants a Volkswagon. I had a new Jetta as a rental recently and it would have been more comfortable with no seats. To each his own, dude.
Did you not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night or something? I'm talking about diesels, not VWs, not Jettas...diesels. haha. As long as the model has a reputation of at-least-as-reliable as their gas counterpart, the diesel variant(s) have consistently depreciated slower than the same gas model.
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This Fiat 124 is powered by a VW diesel from a totaled Jetta. Nice build and it has been reliable so far.
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Did you not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night or something? I'm talking about diesels, not VWs, not Jettas...diesels. haha. As long as the model has a reputation of at-least-as-reliable as their gas counterpart, the diesel variant(s) have consistently depreciated slower than the same gas model.
Cool.

For some reason I thought you were partial to Das auto.
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Did you not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night or something? I'm talking about diesels, not VWs, not Jettas...diesels. haha. As long as the model has a reputation of at-least-as-reliable as their gas counterpart, the diesel variant(s) have consistently depreciated slower than the same gas model.
I think electrical issues were more a part of VW problem areas anyway. Not the engine.
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